We did have an initial wait with Westmead - usually takes spprox 6 wks to get an appt - they are very busy there !! this is why I don't know how it's all going to coordinate together !! Do u go to IVF Australia ?? Do they have a wait to get in there ??
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04-02-2012 17:21 #131
21-02-2012 22:48 #132
Just thought I would pop in and say Hi! (and bump this thread again )
I also posted this on the 'PICSI / HA-ICSI' thread and thought some of u might find it interesting as its a new way to get good sperm for the eggs:
I did ask about HA-ICSI and FS wasnt that positive about it saying that it doesnt increase pregnancy rates to a statistically significant level, basically because there havent been enough large scale studies done to quantify results (its a numbers game). He did suggest we could try 'zona pellucida bound sperm', which is similar to HA-ICSI but instead of using HA (an enzyme) they use immature eggs collected from EPU to attract healthy sperm and then use these sperm for ICSI. Of course i went googling and found this article, which is by an MIVF researcher too:
it gives a little more detail about what i've just tried to explain, and sounds quite hopeful and a relatively simple procedure for embryologist to do.
02-03-2012 11:34 #133
Hi I'm new here!
Hey ladies I thought I'd pop in to say hello . This is only my 2nd post on BH and I'm about to start ICSi in the next couple of months 1st cycle and I'm really nervous. I'm 34 myDh is 32 has Mfi . I'm so happy to have found this threAd . He has low sperm count <2million and I think 10 % motility . DNA frag test came back normal .i guess I should feel lucky that he has sperm and at least some are ok but I still feel a bit overwhelmed but what we are about to embark on.
That dr Golonsky sounds like a bit of a Mfi guru. How did u all chose your drs? I At the moment I have decided to go with IvF Australia bondi junction as the FS that Did our initial testing and consults was really good ( im embarrassed to say I googled him too!!! )
Wish u all the best
04-03-2012 21:26 #134
Get a Second Opinion before u waste your money!!
I'm writing all this because I dont want others to have to go thru the same problems.
Thought I would give an update on our ttc saga . Not being happy with our first FS and his lack of care for investigating further DH's MFI issues I decided to get a second opinion, this time from a real andrology specialist (this new FS is a Professor, not just a Dr). He took one look at DH's SA and was able to see there was something worth investigating further. Not only does DH have low motility (1-4%) they are actually not moving because they're DEAD!! No point having a DNA frag test done as it would be very bad (ie only 1% with no DNA frag ). The FS said that because 98% are dead it is likely that the 2% that were still alive might be seriously compromised and be under stress and near death so not really good candidates for ICSI. ARGH!!! MESA or TESA would probably produce better results......
We told the new FS that DH has Polycystic KIDNEY (not ovary) Disease (PKD) (like we told our first FS) and he seemed to think this could be related to his infertility issues but he would have to look it up later. I have since googled and found YES that men with PKD can have fertility issues (very rare tho) and have cysts on the epididymis and seminal vesicles, not just kidneys. The FS did a physical examination of DH's balls (something the other FS never did) and as well as commenting that he has large balls they feel a bit lumpy around the epididymis (possible cysts?!) and that this could be slowing down the movement of sperm thru the system and causing them to die early.
Next step: 1: get new testicle ultrasound and compare to earlier ultrasound done in 2004 when DH first discovered he had PKD. 2: the fun part, FS wants DH to ejaculate 2 to 3 time a DAY in the 4 days BEFORE next SA!! yep that's right instead of NOT ejaculating for 3 to 4 days he wants him to go nuts literally!! This is to see if it improves the number of alive sperm. ejaculating lots should speed up the movement thru his system....DH's next SA coincides with my next ovulation so I think we will be DTD a lot more than usual
Moral of the story: 1: get a second opinion before you waste money on an IVF/ICSI cycle that is doomed to fail. 2: go to the best specialist in your area, unfortunately not all Drs are created equal. Some just see dollar signs instead of patients. The new FS said he only sees a new patient with similar SA results as DH once every year or 2, so its not very common but really this is not excuse for our first FS, who should have referred us to someone else who could have told us this earlier.....
How is everyone else going? I think we should all tell our stories both good and bad so others can learn from them.
04-03-2012 21:39 #135
Welcome to BH!! Good luck with your ttc journey. To answer your question about choosing an FS, I just looked at the Melb IVF specialists and picked my FS because it said he specialised in MFI, which I later found out that he doesnt really and now it doesnt say that on his page . I felt uneasy with him from the start but stuck with him because I thought it didnt matter much. But now I realised that it does matter (see my earlier post). Now I am going to Monash IVF.
If you are happy with your current FS and you've googled him too and seen that others are happy too and you feel comfortable and confident in his abilities then stick with him. If you have some doubts get a second opinion now!!
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05-03-2012 22:43 #136
hi akakura i am sorry to hear that your FS let you down big time. you are right about moving onto another clinic. the reality is that a lot of money and heart and soul goes into these procedures that you would expect doctors to act with dignity when they treat us.
I am glad you found a new FS that seems much more in tune with your DH's issues.
The FS we are going with is also a professor but most importantly he made us feel very comfortable and hopeful which at this point in time is important to me.
28-04-2012 18:05 #137
Thought I would join this thread as I need some support & advice & hopefully hear some success stories to keep my hopes up as My Dh & are going crazy ATM .
Basically. He was told by the FS back in March that he was missing his vas but after our visit to the urologist this week it turns out he's not missing his vas & that he has NOA & also has an FSH of 20 which according to the urologist isn't real good , all other tests we have had done are normal & my dh is booked in for biopsy / Tesa in a couple of weeks
Urologist said finding sperm would be 50/50 ... God I really really really hope they find something usable as we will be so devastated . We have already been through so much & I don't know how much more bad news we can Handle
Is there anyone else here in our situation or is there anyone that can offer any advice
28-04-2012 22:54 #138
My DH has been diagnosed with vas absence but we haven't had the TESA yet, so we don't actually know if he produces sperm. His FSH etc are all normal however, so we have hope. I am sorry you have cause to be worried with your DH's 50/50 chance.
I remember the first weeks when we found out my DH's sperm count was zero but didn't know why, and the wait to find out drove us crazy - I started a thread about it back in January: http://www.bubhub.com.au/community/f...ermia-no-sperm
We hope that there will be sperm found when he has his first TESA in conjunction with my ICSI cycle, but if there isn't, we've already discussed and accepted that we will move onto donor sperm; the child will still be ours.
That said, I hope that your DH (and mine!) have a few swimmers in there. I will be going into IVF remembering that the end goal is to raise a family with the man I intend to spend my life with, however that family may come about.
29-04-2012 18:16 #139
Thanks for your reply
I agree with you about how all that matter is the end result but unfortunately at the moment dh is not very open minded about donor & I think there are a couple of reasons & one of those is mainly because of me as I am actually was a donor sperm baby & I only found out about 2-3 ago & DH saw first hand how devastating it was for me mainly because It was kept from me my whole life & I also think that he's doesn't want us to go through it . I am a little more open to it as I want to be a mummy so much .
I'm at a point now where I have gotten myself so confused as I've overloaded myself with information & thoughts & yeah I'm just trying to keep busy untill the 10th of may when DH goes for the TESE
I'm so scared though cause both SA were 0 & all his male anatomy is normal & the only thing that is abnormal is his FSH
What made things even worse was that his mother ask me today if I would leave her Son if we couldn't conceive a biological child together ...
Anyway like I keep trying to tell myself just take one thing at a time & Cross each bridge as it comes ...
I hope you & your Dh have some success also & it would be cool to know how u get on when start the whole process .
30-04-2012 11:15 #140Senior Member
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hoping I can join in on this thread.. We were told back in march that DHs count is extremely low.. They didn't find any on the first look but after spinning it down, found only 5 ... So we were told that IVF/ ICSI is the only way we can fall pg.. DH was told to do 5 lots of sperm banking before our next appt along with a testicle ultrasound and loads of blood tests..
We are now waiting for the 15th may for our next appt to see what the go is.. We know if they don't get enough from the banking then he will need to have the invasive tests to find some more..
Wish the next couple of weeks would hurry up so we know when we can start..
Bubbadreams... What a horrible thing for ur mil to say!! Sounds like something mine would say too!! Hope all goes well with ur DHs tese..
Good luck to everyone else.. Hopefully we all get the answers we want to hear
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