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    What is more dangerous than any ingredient in a vaccine is a vaccine preventable disease. Those things have been proven beyond reasonable doubt to cause death, permanent brain damage and disabilities. Cases of that are currently on the increase in many parts of Australia.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Atropos View Post
    Viera Scheibner is a retired micropaleontologist (not a doctor of medicine at all) who also claims that Shaken Baby Syndrome does not exist and the effects, including broken bones and detached retinas, are results of vaccines, not being violently shaken. She also claims SIDS is a result of vaccines and that diseases such as polio, pertussis and measles are actually beneficial to children and any fatalities are a result of medical mismanagement.

    Dr A Kalokerinos was widely known to believe that vaccines were made to wipe out aboriginals and that the US Govt wanted to use vaccines to get rid of criminals by encouraging criminals with known heart conditions to get vaccinated and therefore kill them. He also was known for his controversial use of vitamin c to treat almost everything.

    Sorry but I would not rely on either of these two "sources" for my vaccine information.

    MMR was implicated in autism- by Andrew Wakefield- whose study has since been proven fraudulent and retracted. http://www.bmj.com/content/340/bmj.c696.extract There are no other studies that have shown a link between the two.
    MMR can have serious side effects but these are extremely rare. The diseases themselves have much more associated risk to your child and to the community at large. If for example, your child has a mild dose of measles, and passes this on to a newborn, an elderly person or an immune-compromised person, the risk to them is severe and *can* be fatal.

    At the end of the day the decision is yours OP- it's not illegal to not vaccinate, but I urge you to do your research very thoroughly. There are a lot of anti-vax people on BH and some of the sources I have seen quoted are ridiculously misleading, such as the 2 mentioned above. Look for the latest peer reviewed studies, talk to several medical professionals and specialists- get them to explain their opinions to you. I mean GPs, Paeds and specialists if possible. Alternative medical practitioners do not often have the scientific training to provide a balanced view but by all means, ask them then compare their info with what proper, current studies show, and what medical doctors can tell you. And ask yourself- how do non-vaccinated children have autism? And what benefit is there to governments to ensure part of the population is autistic? Common sense and logic need to be used here.


    Thank goodness some people are talking some sense!

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    Quote Originally Posted by Opinionated View Post
    What is more dangerous than any ingredient in a vaccine is a vaccine preventable disease. Those things have been proven beyond reasonable doubt to cause death, permanent brain damage and disabilities. Cases of that are currently on the increase in many parts of Australia.
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    Im more concerned about the crap they put in our foods that we consume everyday. Even if this poison was in a vaccine, do you know how tiny an amout of 10ppb is? If you dont want to vax, then dont, just let us who do make that choice instead of quoting some bs that you found on some unreputable site.

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    Quote Originally Posted by MummaOJ View Post
    Im more concerned about the crap they put in our foods that we consume everyday. Even if this poison was in a vaccine, do you know how tiny an amout of 10ppb is? If you dont want to vax, then dont, just let us who do make that choice instead of quoting some bs that you found on some unreputable site.




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    Anyone know how much mercury in a tin of tuna?

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    Quote Originally Posted by capricorn45 View Post
    Vaccines used in Australia are supposedly free of mercury. Australian researchers however found that Infanrix Hexa tested positive for mercury at 10 ppb.

    http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/20391108

    The MMR vaccine has never contained any mercury, but is implicated in the autism epidemic. It's of course up to you, but I strongly recommend that you avoid the MMR and all other vaccines as there is no scientific evidence that any of them are safe or effective.

    "Vaccines contain substances which are so noxious that they should not ever be injected into a human body."
    Dr Viera Scheibner PhD, Australia

    "I was shocked to find that this whole vaccine business was indeed a gigantic hoax."
    Dr A Kalokerinos MD, Australia

    All the best!
    What everyone else has written about Scheibner and Kalokerinos pretty much sums it up.


    As for the linked study:

    9.7ppb.... parts per BILLION? Seriously?

    To put that into perspective, the chemical warfare detectors we use at work only detect down to parts per MILLION (ppm). A ppb is, of course, 1/1000th of that.

    That's such a tiny amount of mercury it cannot be detected by anything short of a modern, dedicated, laboratory-grade spectrophotometer. For all intents, that product is mercury free.

    Regular human blood contains 1-4ppb of mercury if you don't eat much fish, up to around 60ppb if you eat a can of tuna every day. The lowest concentration with any observable detrimental effect to humans is a blood concentration of 200ppb.

    So even if mum doesn't eat any fish, a typical baby is born with between 1-4ppb of mercury already in their blood. For a fish-eating mum, that baby is probably born with at least 50ppb in their blood.

    And those figures are in every drop of their blood, circulating around their body 24/7. Does anyone seriously think that the addition of 0.5ml/vol containing 9.7ppb to that body would make any difference whatsoever?

    It would be like adding a grain of instant coffee to Warragamba dam and proclaiming that Sydney's water now contains deadly caffeine!

    Personally, I think if mercury is your worry, then fish is what you should be looking out for. Canned tuna contains about 0.5ppm (500ppb). Your baby would need to receive over 100,000 doses of Infanrix Hexa to be exposed to the same amount of mercury as eating a single small (100g) can of tuna.

    Breast milk also contains about 4ppb of mercury, so unless you limit your child to ~1mL of milk, they get more mercury from every feed than they get from a dose of vaccine.

    Like everything, it's the dose that makes the poison.
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