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    This is from Dan Andrew's FB. He must have a great PR team and once again, as someone else said a few posts back, I don't see how anyone in Vic can feel like the message isn't clear (apart from the fact that Scomo and his team keep making statements that almost contradict themselves).
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    Originally posted by Stretched View Post
    This is from Dan Andrew's FB. He must have a great PR team and once again, as someone else said a few posts back, I don't see how anyone in Vic can feel like the message isn't clear (apart from the fact that Scomo and his team keep making statements that almost contradict themselves).
    I usually hate politics and bury my head in the sand, BUT, as far as his handling of covid, and directions for Victorians, I must say I'm impressed. He's made hard calls, that contradicted the big boys (scomo), hasn't been afraid to stand up and say "nope. this is how we are doing it". He's come down hard and fast, and in general, been pretty clear for your average person in normal circumstances.

    Yes there's been a few grey areas (partners visiting eachother for example) but on the whole, I (personally) think he's done well with what we've got infront of us, and I'm thankful, even relieved, to live in Victoria at the moment. I'd be much less at ease in a state where I felt that they were just extensions of scomo arms, sending regular mixed messages.
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      Originally posted by Shoopuf View Post
      Also, as a landlord, one of the hardest things is trying to convince our property manager at the end of every lease term that we are happy with the tenant and don’t WANT a rent increase. So I guess I wouldn’t be quick to assume that all landlords jump on rent increases - perhaps the rent increase is being instigated by the agent.

      I’ve seen a load of people online recently saying that landlords are awful people and shouldn’t have investment properties because it’s “greedy” ... I guess I just don’t understand it. We are renting our current place while leasing out the home we purchased, and maybe I’m strange, but I see rent as a financial obligation I signed up for, and therefore one I should be aiming to meet as a matter of priority. Much like a mortgage.
      Yes! We have that conversation with our property manager so often. Please just resign them for as long as possible, the rent amount is fine.

      Not all landlords are money hungry or cruising around on luxury super yachts.

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          Covid-19 (Coronavirus Chat)

          Let’s be frank here and acknowledge that if you own multiple properties, you’re probably in a far better financial position than those who can’t afford to buy one home and need to rent to begin with.

          The cost of rent in Sydney is ridiculous unless you want to live in suburbs that featured on struggle street. Believe me I used to work there and it’s not somewhere most reasonable people would choose to live just for cheap rent.

          Even when we were renting whilst our house was being built (not in Sydney but only 20 mins from the edge of outer western Sydney) we were paying $400 week for a tiny 3 bedroom shoe box on the main highway that also backed onto the train line. Lots of loud freight trains, passenger trains and the Indian pacific along with noisy trucks going up and down the highway.
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            I read an article in the Herald Sun (ok not the most reliable sources) that was saying in the US they believe up to 80% of kids have the virus they just have it so mild that it’s not obvious. So effectively they become super spreaders. How on earth does Morrison or Gladys in NSW really believe that kids/schools can enforce social distance both of the kids and parents? My kids school would not be able to do that. I get online learning isn’t what we want for our kids but to me it just makes sense for now.

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            • #7
              Originally posted by BigRedV View Post
              Let’s be frank here and acknowledge that if you own multiple properties, you’re probably in a far better financial position than those who can’t afford to buy one home and need to rent to begin with.

              The cost of rent in Sydney is ridiculous unless you want to live in suburbs that featured on struggle street. Believe me I used to work there and it’s not somewhere most reasonable people would choose to live just for cheap rent.

              Even when we were renting whilst our house was being built (not in Sydney but only 20 mins from the edge of outer western Sydney) we were paying $400 week for a tiny 3 bedroom shoe box on the main highway that also backed onto the train line. Lots of loud freight trains, passenger trains and the Indian pacific along with noisy trucks going up and down the highway.
              We built a property to rent over the past year and yes, that is evidence in itself that we are better off than many. As is having our own mortgaged home. We have based all our calculations on "what if we dropped to one income and had no tenant". The big assumption here was it would be 1 full time income, as DH and I have about the same salary. However, I'm currently only 2 days a week and we never factored in living on that one salary alone. Even when looking at that in our "worset case scenario", it was assumed I could pick up CRT on my days off until I could switch to full time, neither of which are currently an option.

              Thankfully DH is still working and we're not in "worst case" yet. Also thankfully we have a lovely tenant with a secure job.

              But I just wanted to point out that, for all our sensible calculations and care not to overextend, we did not foresee a pandemic lockdown in the mix. Just as many tenants felt that they had secure jobs and would not struggle to pay the rent ever.

              If it's tenants or landlords struggling, I don't think is about being financially reckless, poorly prepared or not factoring in typical bumps in the road.

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              • #8
                Originally posted by Stretched View Post
                We built a property to rent over the past year and yes, that is evidence in itself that we are better off than many. As is having our own mortgaged home. We have based all our calculations on "what if we dropped to one income and had no tenant". The big assumption here was it would be 1 full time income, as DH and I have about the same salary. However, I'm currently only 2 days a week and we never factored in living on that one salary alone. Even when looking at that in our "worset case scenario", it was assumed I could pick up CRT on my days off until I could switch to full time, neither of which are currently an option.

                Thankfully DH is still working and we're not in "worst case" yet. Also thankfully we have a lovely tenant with a secure job.

                But I just wanted to point out that, for all our sensible calculations and care not to overextend, we did not foresee a pandemic lockdown in the mix. Just as many tenants felt that they had secure jobs and would not struggle to pay the rent ever.

                If it's tenants or landlords struggling, I don't think is about being financially reckless, poorly prepared or not factoring in typical bumps in the road.
                I think it goes to show how many people actually live week to week. Not good.

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                • #9
                  Originally posted by ICanDream View Post
                  I read an article in the Herald Sun (ok not the most reliable sources) that was saying in the US they believe up to 80% of kids have the virus they just have it so mild that it’s not obvious. So effectively they become super spreaders. How on earth does Morrison or Gladys in NSW really believe that kids/schools can enforce social distance both of the kids and parents? My kids school would not be able to do that. I get online learning isn’t what we want for our kids but to me it just makes sense for now.
                  There are 29 new cases in NSW today. One is a newborn baby. There are at least 217 active cases in NSW (these are only the ones being treated in hospital but probably more at home) yet they want to get more students back in schools in 3 weeks [emoji848]

                  How does a high school teacher who can see up to 150 students a day clean desks etc. between classes? I can’t even get my cleaner to clean my desks at the end if the day sometimes [emoji849]

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                    Originally posted by ICanDream View Post
                    I read an article in the Herald Sun (ok not the most reliable sources) that was saying in the US they believe up to 80% of kids have the virus they just have it so mild that it’s not obvious. So effectively they become super spreaders. How on earth does Morrison or Gladys in NSW really believe that kids/schools can enforce social distance both of the kids and parents? My kids school would not be able to do that. I get online learning isn’t what we want for our kids but to me it just makes sense for now.
                    Also, after what the PM said the other day telling teachers to get back to school because kids were just staring at a screen (I was highly offended by this) he said after the cabinet meeting yesterday to listen to your state government and medical officers [emoji849]

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                    • #11
                      Originally posted by BigRedV View Post
                      I think it goes to show how many people actually live week to week. Not good.
                      But see we don't live week to week. We have a big buffer of savings (allocated for renovations). However even that would run out eventually if we went into our worst case scenario.

                      I'm not crying "poor me, rich people problems, blah blah". I agree it is scary how many people live week to week. This has always worried me. My point is that there will be people who thought they had factored in every "predictable risk", set themselves up to minimise those risks, but may still find themselves in a very scary place, especially if they are being expected to just wear a loss of rent without any support (eg. payments freeze, council rates reduced, etc). That would be many people's concern when some of the dialogue out there is "landlords are rich, they can afford to take a hit".

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                        Originally posted by BigRedV View Post
                        Also, after what the PM said the other day telling teachers to get back to school because kids were just staring at a screen (I was highly offended by this) he said after the cabinet meeting yesterday to listen to your state government and medical officers [emoji849]
                        Daniel Andrews probably told him to STFU and stop contradicting everything he's been telling Victorians! 😂

                        May just be my bubble, but people in Vic seem happy with the clear divisiveness we seem to have had from our state government, even if it means we have some stricter regulations than other states. In the meantime, the amount of memes, clip montages and parodies of Scomo are evidence that people are finding his messaging unclear and downright confusing.

                        [I've also been offended by quite a few Morrison comments. Such as students losing a year of schooling. Has he NO faith in the skill and adaptability of teachers? Seriously? We get a new curriculum thrown at us every 5 years and some new pedagogical model thrust onto us every (what feels like) 5 minutes. Our whole job is about constantly adapting and we are accustomed to hard work and tight deadlines! And then as a parent, yes, some kids will not get support at home to continue their learning at home. But most parents are giving it a darn good go because MOST parents are pretty dang good!]

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                          So for our teacher members, I just had a chat with our foundation teacher and she told me they are struggling with the right balance of work to share because of their 54 foundation students across three classes 40 of those have opted for hard copy and not online learning. They have to provide the same work to both so they can’t send through YouTube videos or songs etc to those learning online. Hopefully some of those will change as they maybe access the system and see how it is set up but I really feel for the teachers on the challenge to set work like that.

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                          • #14
                            Originally posted by Green Cheese View Post
                            So for our teacher members, I just had a chat with our foundation teacher and she told me they are struggling with the right balance of work to share because of their 54 foundation students across three classes 40 of those have opted for hard copy and not online learning. They have to provide the same work to both so they can’t send through YouTube videos or songs etc to those learning online. Hopefully some of those will change as they maybe access the system and see how it is set up but I really feel for the teachers on the challenge to set work like that.
                            We did digital and non digital and when we were developing the remote learning program, we did the digital one first then if there was a YouTube for counting or something, we just said count to 20 with an adult or sibling etc.

                            Even though they might not have a device, you would think most of the parents would have a phone at least. I think in some instances we said if you have access to a smart phone search YouTube for Jack Hartmann counting to twenty.

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                            • #15
                              Originally posted by Stretched View Post
                              Daniel Andrews probably told him to STFU and stop contradicting everything he's been telling Victorians! [emoji23]

                              May just be my bubble, but people in Vic seem happy with the clear divisiveness we seem to have had from our state government, even if it means we have some stricter regulations than other states. In the meantime, the amount of memes, clip montages and parodies of Scomo are evidence that people are finding his messaging unclear and downright confusing.

                              [I've also been offended by quite a few Morrison comments. Such as students losing a year of schooling. Has he NO faith in the skill and adaptability of teachers? Seriously? We get a new curriculum thrown at us every 5 years and some new pedagogical model thrust onto us every (what feels like) 5 minutes. Our whole job is about constantly adapting and we are accustomed to hard work and tight deadlines! And then as a parent, yes, some kids will not get support at home to continue their learning at home. But most parents are giving it a darn good go because MOST parents are pretty dang good!]
                              Are you in Vic?

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