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    Quote Originally Posted by twinklify View Post
    To me legal is different to ethical though.

    Everyone has different values and morals. Legal does not mean ethical. Especially since laws/legislation cannot keep up.

    Not long ago trolling was legal. Does that mean it's ethical?

    Eta - quoted the wrong person. Sorry TC!
    I agree. Ashley Madison was legal and unethical.

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    Quote Originally Posted by twinklify View Post
    To me legal is different to ethical though.

    Everyone has different values and morals. Legal does not mean ethical. Especially since laws/legislation cannot keep up.

    Not long ago trolling was legal. Does that mean it's ethical?

    Eta - quoted the wrong person. Sorry TC!
    Yes I know legal and ethical are different. I just don't think any legal professions are unethical as a whole. I think Some practices in those professions while legal maybe unethical.

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    Quote Originally Posted by turquoisecoast View Post
    I've had this debate with many people too. I'm actually a little bit on the fence with it myself if I'm honest. like for your usual mum and dad clients I have no issues with it. but when you think about big corporations, or companies that hurt our environment or big polluters, pursuing aggressive strategies to minimize tax, yeah I start to kind of think hold on, this seems like a grey area.

    even within the boundaries of the law, there is scope to be unethical.

    generally I think saving tax is fine, so long as it's done legally and you pay your fair share otherwise. only a fool would pay more tax than they need to.

    but for unethical companies I'm a little less tolerant. they should be paying more.
    This is exactly what I'm talking about.

    And I think I'm in the right profession because I love my job and my clients are very happy with my services, but sometimes I do wonder whether it's ethical to have one taxpayer on a low-average income pay more tax than a high income earner who has structured their financial affairs in a more tax-effective way.

    It also makes me feel uncomfortable when I see directors of companies purposely pay themselves low salaries to avoid child support.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Janesmum123 View Post
    If you think as an accountant that minimising tax legally is unethical you are in the wrong job.
    I'm happy to save people as much tax as possible. Genuinely happy. But on a more philosophical level, I question why as a society, people have such an issue with paying tax, when tax is necessary to redistribute to areas of society that need it most.
    I didn't really explain myself well in my original post. I get that people don't like paying tax, and I'm thankful for that because it keeps me busy, but ethically speaking, shouldn't we be happy to pay tax so that the more disadvantaged in society, not to mention all the public services we all benefit from, can be funded?

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    Quote Originally Posted by JR03 View Post
    Actually I was just thinking that people might think my job in HR is unethical. I always have people telling me horror stories about their unethical HR people at their company. I'm lucky that my manager is highly ethical and is always willing to support me when I refuse to allow a manager to take a particular course of action which may be legal but is unfair and unethical to the employee.
    I reckon HR must be one of those jobs that's really different in practice to in theory. I don't think people think HR is unethical, but they are there to act in the interests of the employer, not the employees. Although that may seem obvious, a lot of people don't really understand that.

    In my career I've been subjected to bullying on two occasions. Once, the manager quit after HR took my side. They only did this because my two predecessors quit and they'd been sued by the one before. The second time I was being bullied by a high earner. It was made crystal clear to me by HR that this person wanted me gone and it was going to happen one way or another because they were worth more to the company than me.

    So I don't think they're unethical people, but I think they do have to do unethical things. As an insurance lawyer, I completely understand what jobs like that are like.

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    My grandfather died in the war.

    Deep down I'm a pacifist so that's where my post comes from. I am aware of other roles they have.

    The primary job of the military is to defend the country. The point of having a defence force is that in times of need you will be called to battle. Australian Air Force currently carrying out repeated attacks in Iraq and Syria. That's the bottom line. I don't think they are bad people it's just not something I can relate to. My stance has changed dramatically over the years since getting a lot older. When I was in year 10 I actually went to HMAS Watson for work experience.

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    Quote Originally Posted by witherwings View Post
    I'm happy to save people as much tax as possible. Genuinely happy. But on a more philosophical level, I question why as a society, people have such an issue with paying tax, when tax is necessary to redistribute to areas of society that need it most.
    I didn't really explain myself well in my original post. I get that people don't like paying tax, and I'm thankful for that because it keeps me busy, but ethically speaking, shouldn't we be happy to pay tax so that the more disadvantaged in society, not to mention all the public services we all benefit from, can be funded?
    I personally educate people around me to where their taxes are going.
    Also if you are liable to pay more tax it usually means that you are doing well. So stop the whining ;-)

    There's many tax concessions and offset that I personally find unfair and yes unethical.
    It doesn't make accountants unethical.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Ahalfdozen View Post
    For me, it's not so much an unethical job that would make me think less of the person, it's more if their morals and ethics are so far misaligned from my own, that I may reconsider the relationship. Not because I'm trying to just plain old judge them, more just that I try to keep company with similar values to my own and I might just consider it a mismatch. Not because I think less of them necessarily. I mean, there is a line that can be crossed where I would definitely think less of them, but for the most part I might just consider it not a good fit.

    People who are just trying to get a wage, or who do have good intentions (lawyers, defence people, RSL workers etc) I wouldn't judge for their jobs. That goes on their personality. But people who are in unethical jobs, and are just outright snakes, I am unlikely to socialise with.
    This is how I feel. I also struggle when someone talks the talk but doesn't walk the walk. Eg. I knew someone years ago who was all organic kale, raw milk, my child isn't immunised and hasn't been to a Dr. because I don't believe in western medicine - but they worked in pharmaceutical sales! That just sat so badly with me and yes, I judged them for it. Especially as they were so evangelical in their 'alternate' views outside the workplace.


 

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