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    Quote Originally Posted by VicPark View Post
    I don't publicly post anything. And I don't do the duck face selfies for my friends either
    I don't either. I just don't care if others do.

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    Quote Originally Posted by VicPark View Post
    I don't publicly post anything. And I don't do the duck face selfies for my friends either
    And you don't wear make up or shave?

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    Quote Originally Posted by VicPark View Post
    I don't publicly post anything. And I don't do the duck face selfies for my friends either
    But is it safe to assume you don't shave, do your hair, wear make up, etc? Because you're sticking it to the man?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Sonja View Post
    Put it another way. Can we criticise the cause or the actions without criticising the person? Or is that not possible?
    Absolutely! This is what half my day at work consists of! I provide feedback, often negative about behaviours and actions but I am never negative about the person.

    Me telling you that your constant chatter is annoying those near you is not the same as me saying you are annoying.

    I give lots of feedback all day, plus I teach my students to reflect on and critique the impact of their own actions (be it behaviour, working to their potential, tone of voice, etc), however I am always respectful and acutely aware of a need to criticise the behaviour, not the person.

    It is doable, but it takes a conscious effort as it is a less natural way of phrasing things.

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    Quote Originally Posted by HollyGolightly81 View Post
    But is it safe to assume you don't shave, do your hair, wear make up, etc? Because you're sticking it to the man?
    Or wear pretty clothes or jewellery? Anything associated body adornments?

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    Quote Originally Posted by VicPark View Post
    Not necessarily. I find the "look at me" aspect of publicly publishing selfies of oneself knobby.
    I just realised that's what real estate agents do. And politicians. They have staged photos of themselves everywhere. I realise it's not 'selfies' - but it is still posing and posting everywhere. Is that terrible? Or different? If so, how?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Sonja View Post
    And you don't wear make up or shave?
    Good question. I wear make up to work - much less than I used to though I still kick myself for it everyday. As for the body hair - might shave once in a blue moon (I tell myself it's due to the BO factor) and I kick myself every time.

    Darn social conditioning. Why can't I just be a guilt free, make up free, hairy, stinky being just like hubby?!

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    Quote Originally Posted by babyno1onboard View Post
    The same could be said about:
    A man who who styled his hair vs a bald man.
    A clean shaven man vs a man with 2 day growth.
    A tall man vs a short man.
    Yes, and ALL of those things should also be dealt with. This doesn't need to be like saying "black lives matter", doesn't mean " all lives matter". It's a question of greater urgency and barriers.

    Statistically the short stubly bald man will still get the job, raise or promotion before the woman, regardless of her makeup!

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    Quote Originally Posted by VicPark View Post
    Nuh-uh. Just look at TV. There's a lot of bald/fat/ugly news presenters and actors who are popular as all heck. Women though are always pristinely manicured and dressed to the nines.
    That's TV - not the real world. The corporate company I work for has lots of the women in management and most of them are not dressed to the nines.

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    I'm interested in your answer to my question vp. We can't changed history and that social conditioning has occurred so when do you draw a line and just accept that women are actually just doing what they want and stop thinking they are sheep?


 

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