I'm going to try and be really concise here.
I don't think it's ever okay to say negative things about someone's appearance, whether that be online, to another person face to face or directly to another person.
Do I have a problem discussing a persons behaviour, decisions, thoughts? No.
No if it's in a face to face discussion with someone, in an email, in private or even on BH (unless it is in relation to an actual hubber who is seeking help or advice, then I just don't post).
I have a problem though if people are making their opinions known on a persons actions on their social media pages - that is a big no no as that is what does the most damage.
We all have opinions and we are all entitled to express them..... I just know better than to do that on BH.
Oh and it doesn't matter if they are male or female, the above remains the same.
Last edited by A-Squared; 03-10-2016 at 21:04.
Honestly I feel like we were in 2 different threads.
I would never say about another human "I can't stand her" except perhaps someone like Trump (to give a modern example) and my reason for disliking him intensely is based on numerous statements he makes about the limitations of women.
I tend to not judge someone based on being part of an industry I wish we didn't need. I think it's way more complicated than simply blaming magazines.
Well, me too for the same reasons. But this goes back to personal ideology. Many argue those like Judd are also creating limitations for women as well just like Trump but the former is far more insidious. I don't mean Judd is doing it deliberately when I say insidious. I mean the messages she and those like her send can be far more covert for others, but nevertheless no less damaging.I would never say about another human "I can't stand her" except perhaps someone like Trump (to give a modern example) and my reason for disliking him intensely is based on numerous statements he makes about the limitations of women.
Work uniform aside, I don't think we have any place to judge someone's appearance. It may not be to my taste, but that's their choice and I have no right to judge.
It hasn't always been that way, though. Society unfairly and inaccurately depicts women's (especially) values, worth and intentions based on our appearance. It took a lot of personal growth and awareness for me to get to this point.
As for the actions of people, I think women are just as accountable as men and shouldn't be treated gently because of their gender. Obviously, we need to be respectful about it.
To answer the OP (or some of it!)...
The Bec Judd thread actually got me thinking about whether I am part of this sisterhood or not, and made me reflect on the language I use about other women etc in a way that I haven't really before.
It actually stopped me from commenting on another thread something about 'not being able to stand' someone who happens to be a female 'author' because I consider her to be an absolutely terrible writer. I felt like the language I instinctively went to use, not being able to stand her, rather than saying I don't like her books crossed a line of I guess 'sisterhood' and I didn't realise that I do that!
So I guess in that sense my worldview is about trying to convey kindness and respect for the person if they have earned it or when I have no reason to treat/speak of them otherwise, even if for example I think they are a crap author or singer or whatever. Maybe moreso females if I think about it.
Having said that, I do think that almost everyone in the public eye is fair game to discuss (respectfully), and I do think the 'you're just jealous' type responses are often unnecessary and a copout. I think there is a difference between discussing an 'issue' and a 'person' (which I alluded to on the other thread), and a social responsibility to be considerate of that.
I also think comments about appearance are not on, and women should know better than to body shame.
I don't know. This is a great question and I'm not 100% on how I feel.
PS TOTES agree about Angelina btw
And to be clear, of course I support everyone being conscious of our language, but why does there seem to be this unsaid rule that the constraints are much tighter when talking about women? (individuals, celebs, the whole gender, whatever)
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