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    Quote Originally Posted by cheeeeesecake View Post
    Hm I found it interesting, and as a topic I have studied at a tertiary level, this article was in direct contradiction to almost everything that I've read. Funny that the authors talk about 'studies show....' and 'evidence..' and 'multiple studies...', yet at the end of the article, they only have 3 citations - one is an article from 'The Guardian' and the other two are both research studies conducted by the same person a year apart. So hardly a strong argument there. I would be interested to see the original study and it's data from the one person who's research they are citing.
    I'm primary trained and I can remember reading about older students having issues as well. It wasn't at uni though... I'm pretty sure is was during a PD when we where introducing the earlier starting age and how as teachers we would combat that challenge.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Theboys&me View Post
    I was teaching year 1 in 2013 & 2014. I couldn't pick the younger kids (and I taught ever year one class as I had two permanent classes and specialised in Science so took the other two class for that - so approx 100 students I total). I've inky ever had one child in my year 1 class who didn't attend prep full time. Don't get me wrong - I'd don't advocate them starting early per se - just that I don't think it's to their detriment that they start when they do.

    I know where you're coming from in terms of teachers huffing and puffing over the change in school age (particularly when it was first introduced) but then, they are the same teachers who seem to find a grievance with any change of curriculum (or Lordy the C2C ruffled so many feathers) or direction given from the department.

    I'm certainly not the only teacher I know who is ok with the starting age. I'm quite surprised I'm the first you've encountered.
    I'm not just talking about the younger ones in year 1/2. I'm talking in year 5/6 as well where most of my teaching experience has been.

    Maybe I've not encountered other teachers because in NSW there's always been a choice to send your child to school if they turn 5 before August 1st or wait until the next year. No teacher that I know would advise a child start so young.

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    Quote Originally Posted by BigRedV View Post
    I'm not just talking about the younger ones in year 1/2. I'm talking in year 5/6 as well where most of my teaching experience has been.

    Maybe I've not encountered other teachers because in NSW there's always been a choice to send your child to school if they turn 5 before August 1st or wait until the next year. No teacher that I know would advise a child start so young.
    Ah ok, so a child maybe starting when they turn 5 June/July in those states it's allowed?
    What about turning 5 in Feb?

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    Quote Originally Posted by delirium View Post
    Yes I do. And it is the govts (both Lib and labor) as well as the Education Dept hanging on to these outdated beliefs about education. As I said in another similar thread, pretty much every teacher I know under the age of 40 or 50 wants the changes too but are part of a machine so much bigger than themselves. And it's also the parents reinforcing this outdated system. They often want the homework, they want the NAPLAN's to 'school shop'. They equate long hours in the class room and test scores with better performance. So many teachers are trapped between the parents and the powers that be.
    Yes! So much research point to shorter school days and later starting age. Yet parents are pushing for earlier starting age, complaining when their 4.5 YO doesnt meet the cutoff, & they want longer school days. Often because of convenience and the cost of child care - two working parents means paying for full time child care is expensive. So they want their kids in school earlier and longer so they can be 'babysat' by the teacher at a lower cost. It's insulting to the teaching profession and detrimental to our educational standards. Not all parents want this, but many do.

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    Quote Originally Posted by BigRedV View Post
    I'm not just talking about the younger ones in year 1/2. I'm talking in year 5/6 as well where most of my teaching experience has been.

    Maybe I've not encountered other teachers because in NSW there's always been a choice to send your child to school if they turn 5 before August 1st or wait until the next year. No teacher that I know would advise a child start so young.
    My experience has been the same as yours BigRedV - I've never met a teacher who was happy with and encouraged a younger starting age. But I've taught 4 year olds in prep who didnt turn 5 until sept-oct even. It's ridiculous. Now the SA cut off is april, may- dec babies have to start when 5 turning 6. Jan-Apr babies can start at 5 turning 6 or 4 turning 5. Most jan-feb babies would be 4 turning 5, march-apr is getting more tricky.

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    Quote Originally Posted by cheeeeesecake View Post
    Yes! So much research point to shorter school days and later starting age. Yet parents are pushing for earlier starting age, complaining when their 4.5 YO doesnt meet the cutoff, & they want longer school days. Often because of convenience and the cost of child care - two working parents means paying for full time child care is expensive. So they want their kids in school earlier and longer so they can be 'babysat' by the teacher at a lower cost. It's insulting to the teaching profession and detrimental to our educational standards. Not all parents want this, but many do.
    Yep, completely agree. The countries with good education systems also have better child care than we do - more places and cheaper, so teachers are just that - they teach. I also think it's a perception thing too. People in Australia think that teaching is this breezy job with huge amounts of holidays and short days so why shouldn't they work 8+ hours like the rest of us? Especially since we the taxpayer pays them. Many don't realise the reality that while the school day is 6 hours, teachers are there before and after school. That holidays are full of programming, endless paperwork. That they go on school camps, supervise discos.

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    Quote Originally Posted by 2BlueBirds View Post
    Ah ok, so a child maybe starting when they turn 5 June/July in those states it's allowed?
    What about turning 5 in Feb?
    I think this is the hardest thing about these discussions. They always go towards the ones who aren't 5 until April or later. But like you my daughter is Feb and she will turn 5 in the first two weeks of school. I always said I would go by what the preschool teachers said, and if they think she should do another year we would do that. But now knowing people who have decided to hold back simply so they are not the youngest (who would have thought almost three months before the cut off date that they could end up being the youngest) I feel the anxiety rising about being stuck as we are also in Victoria and attend a council preschool, unless they meet the assessment then they won't get funding from Vic government for an extra year and at our preschool that means they won't get a place as all places are given to kids with funding. I find my self now in a position where we either pay for day care out of pocket (I'm a sahm with younger kids) or send her to school next year. We are going public but I feel good about the school we have chosen and their ability to expand on her strengths.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Green Cheese View Post
    I think this is the hardest thing about these discussions. They always go towards the ones who aren't 5 until April or later. But like you my daughter is Feb and she will turn 5 in the first two weeks of school. I always said I would go by what the preschool teachers said, and if they think she should do another year we would do that. But now knowing people who have decided to hold back simply so they are not the youngest (who would have thought almost three months before the cut off date that they could end up being the youngest) I feel the anxiety rising about being stuck as we are also in Victoria and attend a council preschool, unless they meet the assessment then they won't get funding from Vic government for an extra year and at our preschool that means they won't get a place as all places are given to kids with funding. I find my self now in a position where we either pay for day care out of pocket (I'm a sahm with younger kids) or send her to school next year. We are going public but I feel good about the school we have chosen and their ability to expand on her strengths.
    I feel you.
    I am leaning more towards sending my Feb boy (mid Feb).
    He's having an assessment at kinder soon and honesty I don't think they'll have anything to hold him back on.
    Although he is "silly" he joins in play very well, plays lots of role play / imaginative games, knows when he's had enough and ends play, will happily share, can confidently seek help from a teacher...
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    Quote Originally Posted by 2BlueBirds View Post
    Ah ok, so a child maybe starting when they turn 5 June/July in those states it's allowed?
    What about turning 5 in Feb?
    I always say February is a grey area but would be 99% sure I would keep them home another year, especially my boy.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Green Cheese View Post
    . I always said I would go by what the preschool teachers said, and if they think she should do another year we would do that. But now knowing people who have decided to hold back simply so they are not the youngest (who would have thought almost three months before the cut off date that they could end up being the youngest) I feel the anxiety rising about being stuck ....
    So have her pre-school said she's ready or she's not ready? If they say she's ready, why hold her back because that's what others on here are doing or saying?

    You and your DDs teachers know her best and if they say she's ready and you also feel she's ready, then why not send her?

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