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    Quote Originally Posted by AdornedWithCats View Post
    Wow we need to move I think! All the childcares in my area are $100-120/day. I'm in suburban Melbourne, ds's cc is $110 and will be $120 next year before rebates.

    I wonder what the average cc cost is over all of Australia?
    That's just insane isn't it? We want women to return to work, but for the average woman on a nothing special wage, how does she make money after tax, CC costs ever after rebate, all work associated costs - petrol, public transport, uniforms??

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    Default Kinder program in childcare if funding isn't approved?

    Quote Originally Posted by Elijahs Mum View Post
    I totally disagree public schools don't put pressure on their students for NAPLAN -
    I'd say there are many parents of public school kids who will agree - many on here have already said they do - our private school does not as really what is the benefit to them? Our boys don't need NAPLAN to get into high school as its automatic entry , i would guess the public primary schools would be under way more pressure so parents can have a choice of what high school to send their kids too
    To get into your son's school for high school, they need to sit an exam at the school. Most private and selective schools will do intakes in year 3, 5, 7, 9. I think they ask for NAPLAN on top of that as my friend just had her 2 sons headhunted by your school (starting there next year in year 7 and year 9) because they are really talented rugby players and both were offered the 75% scholarship but they had to pass the exam first before being accepted. I'll ask her if they wanted NAPLAN as well.

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    And I want to add I had reservations about my DD going through the process of selective. The exams (they do one on maths, another on reading, general knowledge & writing, so 4) were very hard, couldn't be studied for, and they are graded with what they term a Profile Score which is out of 300. If the child doesn't have the right score, they don't get in. That really really didn't sit with my feelings on education.

    But DD wanted badly to do this. She wanted to be pushed at school, and if your child is gifted in high school in the public system, their best chance at content that challenges them is the Specialised program.

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    Quote Originally Posted by BigRedV View Post
    The myschool website doesn't show who is at the bottom. Do you know how they get the red, green and white marks? But in any case, I don't care about the red marks. That has no indication on how my child or your child will perform in NAPLAN or be taught as a *whole* student. It doesn't show what music or dance or art or sport programs they do or what work they do within the community or how loving and caring and nurturing and hard working the principal and teachers are. It doesn't show the school's direction or plan. It doesn't show that the children are happy and friendly and United. It doesn't show the harmonious diversity of the community that come together for school events. It doesn't show the fact that the school was handpicked by the educational director to be a showcase school to demonstrate its innovation for a number of educational leaders and principals. It doesn't show anything except a red or pink or green or white mark that reflects nothing about the school culture. If a arent doesn't want to choose that school because of some red lines or it's not "Australian" .
    Yes yes yes! When my first started primary school the NAPLAN results were below average for the school. But we had a principal who HATED NAPLAN with every fibre of his being, and no emphasis was put on naplan. Now we have a new principal who has a big focus on naplan. Oh, on paper we look amazing...but the school isn't half of what it used to be and the fight to get it back is a long and hard one. Those who suggest that changes should be made regarding the system have obviously never had to fight the system. I wouldn't recommend this school to anyone at the moment. We have in zoners trying to get out, whereas before we had out of zoners trying to get in. The myschool website is absolute bs.
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    Quote Originally Posted by delirium View Post
    Well my opinion is that as an education system altogether we place way too much pressure and emphasis on naplan. But we were talking about schools that want NAPLAN results for admission. They are two different topics.

    Many 'elite' schools want students with good naplan results bc they believe (IMHO) it makes the school look better on paper bc they will perform better.
    See I would think HSC and IB results would be far more important to a high school as that's what most parents want for their kids ( NAPLAN can't get you into Uni?) most private schools in Sydney don't have to worry about finding students as the wait lists are pretty long

    Totally agree with BigRedV that the my school site should show more about what the schools offer instead of based on one test plus one reason we chose our school is because it is multi cultural and has a huge percentage of non English speaking students , ( the my school site says its 100% but DS can only speak English so far so that's not correct !)

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    Quote Originally Posted by BigRedV View Post
    To get into your son's school for high school, they need to sit an exam at the school. Most private and selective schools will do intakes in year 3, 5, 7, 9. I think they ask for NAPLAN on top of that as my friend just had her 2 sons headhunted by your school (starting there next year in year 7 and year 9) because they are really talented rugby players and both were offered the 75% scholarship but they had to pass the exam first before being accepted. I'll ask her if they wanted NAPLAN as well.
    Are you sure? We never did - unless it's because it's a scholarship? All our year 6 boys go straight across and definitely do not sit exams

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    Quote Originally Posted by Elijahs Mum View Post
    Are you sure? We never did - unless it's because it's a scholarship? All our year 6 boys go straight across and definitely do not sit exams
    It would only be for those who want to join the school I'd say, by that I mean they didn't start in kindy.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Elijahs Mum View Post
    See I would think HSC and IB results would be far more important to a high school as that's what most parents want for their kids ( NAPLAN can't get you into Uni?) most private schools in Sydney don't have to worry about finding students as the wait lists are pretty long
    oh for sure, but I more mean that primary kids coming into yr 7 with very good yr 3 and 5 naplans statistically are going to be more likely to perform well in the HSC. They are going to be the types that do attend IB's bc they sit exams well etc.

    So I have heard that many elite private schools, bc they *do* have the long waiting lists, want to see NAPLAN's for entry. If they have 100 spots for yr 7 and 200 applying, they have the ability to pick and choose only the 'smartest' kids that will perform well in the school and higher school certs.

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    Quote Originally Posted by BigRedV View Post
    And what you wouldn't know from myschool is that my children's school has 3x the growth of the national average. In other words, the gains the students make far exceed the national average and surpass most other schools by far. That is much more important than anything else.
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    I think it's bloody awesome teaching and those kids are lucky to have such great teachers. I wouldn't say growth or improvement is necessarily more important though. As a parent do I want my kid to be in an environment where kids are improving in leaps and bounds, but still well behind average in core skills? No. Assuming everything else was the same (size, sense of community, extra curricular activities, room for play, empathy of teachers etc) I would absolutely prefer my kid to be in an environment where the kids are performing above average in core skills (and hence where there is less room for growth and improvement).

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    Quote Originally Posted by BigRedV View Post
    The myschool website doesn't show who is at the bottom. Do you know how they get the red, green and white marks? But in any case, I don't care about the red marks. That has no indication on how my child or your child will perform in NAPLAN or be taught as a *whole* student. It doesn't show what music or dance or art or sport programs they do or what work they do within the community or how loving and caring and nurturing and hard working the principal and teachers are. It doesn't show the school's direction or plan. It doesn't show that the children are happy and friendly and United. It doesn't show the harmonious diversity of the community that come together for school events. It doesn't show the fact that the school was handpicked by the educational director to be a showcase school to demonstrate its innovation for a number of educational leaders and principals. It doesn't show anything except a red or pink or green or white mark that reflects nothing about the school culture. If a parent doesn't want to choose that school because of some red lines or it's not "Australian" enough then they are the ones missing out!
    .

    Overall I agree with a lot if your points. However for whatever reason I get the feeling you are perhaps unnecessarily sensitive/defensive regarding your kids school. I don't know anyone who has or is considering choosing a school based on Naplan alone. If your kids school has lots of good extra curricular activities surely parents will take that into consideration. If they don't choose the school for whatever reason, that's their prerogative and it doesn't make their choice a bad one.


 

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