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    Oh lordy, now I have the song 'toot sweets' from Chitty Chitty Bang Bang stuck in my head - except it's 'poop sticks'!!! Sorry guys, I've had a bad cold and it's sent me loopy!

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    Quote Originally Posted by Charlie74 View Post
    @Chiefsgirl no hon u didn't miss my update.. I've just not had the energy to try & type it.

    So basically Wazza is doing a trial cycle with me to see how my lining goes. He was really concerned about my lining, and spoke to us about surrogacy. Which I think is probably a bridge too far for us... It just feels like it's grasping at straws & is going too far. Oh & according to Wazza it costs around $30K in lawyers fees just to do contracts (even if say your sister or best friend offered to do it).

    So starting with my next AF, I have to have a scan day 2, & if lining is thin enough (the irony!), then he will tell me to start meds. Over 12 days I'll be doing a combo of aspirin, nitrodur patch, oral progynova, PV progynova, Ethinyl oestradiol, sandrena gel, viagra pessaries, Trental, Vit E, and from day 6 I'll do 150iu of gonal F.
    I'll fly up on day 12 so Wazza can scan me. And see whether he thinks my lining is useable. He said there's no way he would have transferred our embryo with my lining JUST at 6 on cd 8 like Monash did. I really feel so angry now with Monash & my doc there who's name I don't even want to type. I feel like she completely dropped the ball with me. She let me take Trental for 6 months.. Then didn't even control my ovulation so we could grow out my lining as much as possible. Care factor zero I guess?

    So if he can get my lining to a thickness he's happy with,the we'll do an IVF cycle with him. And he talked us thru what he'd do. He said bcos I have a high AMH & no PCOS, we have a 7-10% chance of success. If not. Well I guess that's it for us. We'll be childless.
    @Charlie74 did he mention anything about a procedure he does. I chatted to him yesterday on the phone and he briefly said something
    That he does bit them vitoed it as he said QFG wouldn't do it up here.

    It's hard when he says stuff like that I got told similar by him about MB at Genea and basically that the embryos I had transferred were rubbish. I did two full stims with MB

    Your plans thorough. FWIW I'm going to start doing castor oil packs next cycle and vitamin B3. Not a wazza suggestion just a me suggestion. He's not going to use much on me at all just the gonal F and progynova.

    Are you still taking the trental as well daily?

    it's a lot to take in/on. I'm in a similar position myself but with 15 embryos which I won't be PGD testing as he didn't think it was a good idea to do that.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Charlie74 View Post
    I think it all has to be considered in context though hon. I think it's a case of looking at the WHOLE picture. Please don't let my situation stress you out.

    He was looking at my lining with a Doppler, seeing poor blood flow & only 2.5 on day 10. So I guess that's a big red flag for him. If he'd been the doctor doing my transfer last month, then he would already have known that my blood pressure to my endometrium isn't good, he would already have checked that & so would be wanting my lining doing better than 6mm on day 8. I mean what he was saying to us what that I'm only 4 days away from ovulation & so 2.5mm is a serious issue. Bcos he'd previously told us to make sure that were still trying naturally while we're on the IVF path. But There's absolutely no way I'd get pregnant naturally with a lining of 2.5

    At some point he even mentioned doing a trial or a study using a hyperbaric chamber.. @Maxwellsmum has he mentioned that to you??
    That might be what he said briefly yesterday I thought he was referring to something he sticks inside the uterus?
    I'll have to double check with his nurse next week as I wouldn't hesitate flying to Brisbane and staying for a week or two if it meant success I prob should have said that to wazza yesterday anyway I might write up an email today to his nurses.

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    @pingc383 thanks so much for this very helpful info. I'll be asking my new FS about using Gonal f and menopur on alternate days at half doses split between morning and evening. I don't know about growth hormone but the name sounds promising, I'll look it up. I never knew I'll have a problem of not producing enough eggs I'm 35 with AMH of 15, no PCOS and recently no endo detected. The only difference between this cycle and past cycle for me was that I did Accupuncture and Chinese herbs during the last cycle when I got two healthy embryos (via PGD). And got 11 eggs (as opposed to 6) with a lower dose of Gonal f. But my nurse told me that every cycle is different and our bodies respond differently to the same drugs every time so there's not much that can be done by the FS. And the nurse and doctor who did EPU told me several times 'it's quality over quantity' and I get that, but the odds of getting an embryo increase with an increase in number of eggs - that's just pure statistics! The embryologist told me that generally only 1 in 3-4 embryos fertilised makes it to day 5 or 6.
    I'll ring Wazza's clinic on Monday and get an appointment, I might get in next year given how busy he probably is.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Gagingi View Post
    Sorry @Mongol but I'm not sure... Impaired glucose tolerance is common with PCOS, so from that perspective I imagine Inofolic is safe. I also have endo and aden, so it's fine with those conditions. It's hard to know. It would be good if you could see Wazza or Charlotte...
    Thanks I'll check with Dr Braverman and see what he has to say. I'll wing Wazza's office on Monday and get an appointment.

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    Quote Originally Posted by midnite01 View Post
    @Blossom74 my hubbie was taking ubiquinol concentrated form of coq10 good for mfi.
    Hi hun, may I ask where you get that coq10 from?

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    Quote Originally Posted by gorgeousgeorge View Post
    @Blossom74 this might help too, in europe, especially france, they have weird shaped toilet bowls, so that what you, eh-hem...leave behind is still clearly visiable, just sitting there. I was talking to another aussie over there about "wtf's with the weird toilets?". He said at one hotel, the butler asked if he would like a stick. He said "wtf for?" And the guy said, "so you can examine your faeces monsieur". So apparently its quite normal over there to "look back" and even have a poke around. Do you have french/european heritage? Maybe its genetic. Your future kids will be safe then. :-)
    Lmao!!!!! I'm French and never heard of this!!!
    Made my day!!

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    Quote Originally Posted by Charlie74 View Post
    Oh that sounds like something else then.. That's not the G-CSF thingy?? He did mention that to us

    Elaborate as it could be?

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    @Charlie74, just read your update.
    Quite a lot to take on...

    I like the fact that Wazza is giving u that lining trial tho.
    Wait & see, one step at a time...

    My thoughts are with u xxx

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    Quote Originally Posted by Mongol View Post
    But my nurse told me that every cycle is different and our bodies respond differently to the same drugs every time
    Just wanted to say Im proof of this theory even though I didn't believe it when I was in the middle of it all. Ive done 11 OE cycles and have had varied results every time, have done a variety of cycles and have added in growth hormone, dhea, ubiquinol etc. I had 2 very bad cycles after doing growth hormone and dhea (my worst cycles) but some women swear by them. Age was probably my issue but given you are 35 you will have much better odds and you're a normal responder so that is also on your side. Don't get me wrong, Im not suggesting not trying different things but I think that its very difficult to know what works in the end for someone as there are so many factors involved, not just the different protocols. I do think lifestyle stuff is important also, so if you think acupuncture helps you then do it, even though it may or may no be the "answer".

    One thing i will add also is that even though my egg numbers varied, my embryo numbers didn't especially change, I either got 1 or 2 to day 5 and that was whether I had 1 egg or 6 so its something to also keep in mind. just because a particular cycle yields more eggs doesn't mean it will be a better result when it comes to embryos.

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