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    Quote Originally Posted by BlondeinBrisvegas View Post
    I'm pretty sure Clinics do have a cut off age where they will stop treating a woman for stim Cycles as after a certain age there really is no point.

    As for individual FS's, well I guess that would be up to them where they'd draw the line in the sand based on your past Cycles, individual medical history/issues, partners issues (if you have one) etc, etc I'd imagine.....that's for the one's with ethics/morals that will actually do that instead of Cycling you again and again knowing you having got a hope in frucking hell just so that get their hands on your $!!!!!!

    I also think that FS's do have a duty of care to a certain extent to tell a patient when they feel that any further Cycles are likely to be unsuccessful due to whatever reason. No-one wants to hear it..that their eggs are sh*t, that their embryo's are crap etc, etc but that's the reality when you get into this age bracket. How fast your eggs deteriorate is an individual thing but sure as sh*t everyone is in the same boat in that it's going to happen to everyone sooner or later and I'm talking within months to a year. The eggs just keep on deteriorating as the months and years roll on.

    No woman in her 40's in going to have the egg quality of a woman in her early 30's or even a 35 year old and any FS who tells you that is a frucking liar!!!! As some of the other Girls have pointed out, there's more bad eggs than good and it gets harder to find the good one's. For some women, they can Cycle until the cows come home and never find one. That's the sad reality

    That doesn't mean you don't try with your OE's just becuase the odds are against you. It just means it's probably better that you go into it knowing in advance how many tickets you're going to buy on this b*tch of a ride before you get on it!!!!!
    Yeah, i totally agree. I always thought it was them telling you its gonna be a long, hard, expensive road. But i thought they'd let you if you understood that. Like i thought they'd let you pick your own number. What's the most number if cycles anyone's ever heard of anyone doing? Is there a guiness book of records thing? Scary thought.

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    I wish I had nice wine instead of dirty old cask wine. Have one for me ☺ I'm partial to whites (dry), scotch and on a hot day a nice cold beer. ☺
    Now it's time to watch the secret life of pets. Max has been waiting all day to watch it with me. 👍

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    I know with Monash for example, they did a study themselves, and had zero success with a group of women aged 45 with their own eggs. I think in that case it should be ok for them to say no.
    I also think when we're aged over 40 and our chances are truly negligible, based on multiple factors, then sometimes we should be told to stop and move to donor eggs. We can chose to go for one final round with our existing clinic or somewhere else. Someone will usually be willing to take your money.
    But then sometimes we need to hear the difficult heartbreaking truth about our own eggs so we can take the time to grieve and then move on to a more viable option. Or draw the line. It's the cr*p reality for us IVFers over 40.
    In Australia there are very few options to upgrade your FS in the hope of a miracle by a proven baby maker.
    I appreciate my opinion is very much my own and may not be a popular one. I don't mean to upset anyone.

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    Uhm, @BlondeinBrisvegas, I think we were typing at the same time!!

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    @Charlie74 Here, here. I'll drink to that. What she said everyone. ♡

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    I know my fs was telling me i wasnt there yet in relation to de. However if i was getting to epu with no follies then that would be a diff story. I was reading an article recently about some older ladies i mean 45 years plus doing countless cycles i think like 25 cycles or so just kept on going and unfort their fs kept taking the money. I think that at some stage there is a moral and ethical oblign to simply stop treat them. Its a gard call though.

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    No, not upset, i know what you mean. It needed to be said to me and im glad in a way, because im doing what a specialist has recommended so it make me more confident in moving to de. Its like now i can say to myself, 'im doing what we both think is the best thing to do. So now that i also believe it, im glad he said it. Even though it wasnt what i thought i wanted to hear at the time. :-) So really, no success after 45? At all? :-(

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    you girls are hilarious! I was also p!ssing myself at the "stick whatevs up there" post @gorgeousgeorge. One of my friends went to one of those places on her honeymoon can you believe it and she talked about the smoking a cigarette with the vjayjay which is so horrifying...or more to the point added to my feelings of horrified (honeymoon WTF??!!)

    I was given the "I think you should stop" talk by my FS at my appointment just before we were planning our last cycle. I guess it had been brewing so it wasn't a shock (twice before two Drs had said to move to DE). Thankfully we had come to the same conclusion otherwise I would have been in pieces. I do think that its a part of their duty of care to their patients and it is hard to hear but thats a part of being a Dr I guess. In saying that though if you feel you want to try a couple more goes then I think you need to pursue it even if that means to move to another clinic.
    @Charlie74 you are doing so amazingly, Im with @Chiefsgirl I would have polished off a bottle already by this stage. Having that Plan B head on is such a good way to handle it though, just be easy on yourself though in the coming days as sometimes it can creep up on you in the days after.

    And yeah, Im gonna agree wholeheartedly that this group is nothing short of wonderful, it really is. I think its a credit to all of us about how much support (including bad a.s.s humour) we all give each other. group hugs

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    Quote Originally Posted by Grace1 View Post
    Thanks @skeeter, we're not ready to give up after only 2 cycles (especially since one was a bfp although I did m/c, and the other a completely new protocol). We're going to try one or two more cycles before xmas and then we're done! Can I ask how old you are and what medications you were on? I'm 42 so I think Fs is basing everything on my age.
    @Grace1 I am 38 at the end of the year, I started IVF last August at 36. My plan was to have two children by the time I am forty Medications - last cycle I was on DHEA, Gonal F, Luveris, Syneral, Clexane and Prednisolone. Over the year I have put myself on various supplements - berocca, aspirin, elevit, zinc, calcium, co q10, vit e, propolis, royal jelly, curcumin, fish oil, selenium, ala, protein, l arginine and cartinine. No wonder I feel sick some mornings - I've had surgery on my stomach and I don't know where I fit them all...
    @Charlie74 I am so sorry to hear your BFN

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    @Charlie74 I just wanted to send you some more hugs before I head off to the land of nod.
    My fresh red bleeding has stopped. Very inconvenient. Tomorrows scan will be interesting. Under 5mm and I'm good to go. Over 5mm and I need to rescan on Monday. Hmmm.
    For the last 3 cycles it seems that I go to the toilet on cd24 to do a number two and I get fresh red blood. It either kicks off into a full AF or doesn't.
    What's very confusing is, as you already know, I did the OPKs and lining scans this month so know when I ovulated. If today is cd1 then I've only had a 10 day leutal phase. I've always had a bang on 14 day leutal phase. I think my thin endo lining is possibly shedding earlier as I creep closer to 42 (4 months to go).
    I asked Warrens nurse if it might be a symptom of being peri-menopausal and she couldn't say either way. I reckon Warren would have something to say about it. Most probably involving profanities and reminding me how sh*te my lining is! But still, I have a beautiful vagina. That's not going to help me retain a pregnancy though.

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