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    I can already see now that my eldest son will probably go onto Uni he is quiet bright and shows an interest in learning etc. my second who has autism and a intellectual disability wants to be a farmer like daddy and we will support them both whole heartedly and encourage them to choose a career or job they are happy in money isn't everything.

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    Quote Originally Posted by turquoisecoast View Post
    agree with all of the above. I also wouldn't hire an accountant without a degree. and I would only engage an accountant who is CA/CPA qualified.

    I'm just saying its a job that doesn't NEED a degree. I know in real life you do, but technically I don't feel there's that much learned at uni that makes having a degree worthwhile.
    I guess it depends on what you take away from the degree. But yes I agree in some respects that the degree is not required in order to perform the work, because 99% of the actual work is learned on the job, especially when it comes to tax accounting. But there are thing I remember learning in my business (accounting) degree which I could not have learned on the job, especially if I was working in a bad organisation, such as ethics, professional standards, leadership, managing people.. And of course things like double entry accounting which I am shocked how many book keepers have absolutely no idea what this is, they think bookkeeping is just plugging numbers into Xero but have no idea how the reports are created with that data. So yeah, you could learn to do the task without a degree, but you might not be a very good accountant in the end. Having said that, I've employed HD-average graduates with masters in accounting and often times they are still crap at their job.

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    I also want to add, after I got my CPA qualification I thought it would be interesting to study finance, so I undertook a master in business (finance) degree and I absolutely hated it and the things I learned in that degree gave me hardly any practical knowledge for my specific profession.

    I think university is really for people who have a very specific career in mind and want to study something that speaks to their interests and skill set.

    I agree with above PP that if you're not sure what you want to do, take a few years to see the world and experience life before making the decision.

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    Quote Originally Posted by turquoisecoast View Post
    agree with all of the above. I also wouldn't hire an accountant without a degree. and I would only engage an accountant who is CA/CPA qualified.

    I'm just saying its a job that doesn't NEED a degree. I know in real life you do, but technically I don't feel there's that much learned at uni that makes having a degree worthwhile.
    I most certainly would hire people without qualifications. This is what frustrates me. Sitting in a room for a degree and I felt I whole heartedly didn't learn much. My brother has Down syndrome, DS now has autism and we socialise a lot. (Lots of different thibgs) some of these high heads as I call them spend way to long in uni and not enough time volunteering etc.

    My dad has been a builder his whole life no certs. Before those things even came in he had an option at one point to get one but he was near retirement age so didn't. Half the people he works with are blue collar- no certs and the best at the job it's the government that makes you pay for it eg when you sell a house.

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    Default "Sort of spin off " is going university important?

    But this was my worry as someone who never went to uni - my friends were saying their good jobs today you would need a degree to even apply for ( marketing, IT and management) yes they got to their high salaries through 20 plus years working their way up which I agree is far better than a piece of paper so why are things changing why are uni degrees a must now? Even builders now @monnie24 legally need a licence and need yearly continuing professional development points to keep their licence so you can't do what your dad did anymore ( plus it's an insurance liability!)
    In my job ( real estate) you don't need a degree but we wouldn't hire a salesperson without a license ( or at least getting one - TAFE certificate 3 years part time)

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    Quote Originally Posted by Elijahs Mum View Post
    But this was my worry as someone who never went to uni - my friends were saying their good jobs today you would need a degree to even apply for ( marketing, IT and management) yes they got to their high salaries through 20 plus years working their way up which I agree is far better than a piece of paper so why are things changing why are uni degrees a must now? Even builders now @monnie24 legally need a licence and need yearly continuing professional development points to keep their licence so you can't do what your dad did anymore ( plus it's an insurance liability!)
    In my job ( real estate) you don't need a degree but we wouldn't hire a salesperson without a license ( or at least getting one - TAFE certificate 3 years part time)
    Yep it's very frustrating. I wish more places would offer more traineeships for older women/men. Eg I'm 26 this year and would feel I would benefit from a traineeship I feel I have left it to long for an apprenticeship

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    Quote Originally Posted by Elijahs Mum View Post
    But this was my worry as someone who never went to uni - my friends were saying their good jobs today you would need a degree to even apply for ( marketing, IT and management) yes they got to their high salaries through 20 plus years working their way up which I agree is far better than a piece of paper so why are things changing why are uni degrees a must now? Even builders now @monnie24 legally need a licence and need yearly continuing professional development points to keep their licence so you can't do what your dad did anymore ( plus it's an insurance liability!)
    In my job ( real estate) you don't need a degree but we wouldn't hire a salesperson without a license ( or at least getting one - TAFE certificate 3 years part time)
    Maybe it's just a case of too much competition / too many applicants /high unemployment, so employers or recruiters need to differentiate the applicants somehow ?

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    There are plenty of jobs that don't require any formal qualifications or at least don't require uni degrees. You can still be happy and get jobs without a degree. It just depends on the area you want to work in.

    As for wages, our admin staff in my practice earn more than our graduate accountants.

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    Quote Originally Posted by witherwings View Post
    Maybe it's just a case of too much competition / too many applicants /high unemployment, so employers or recruiters need to differentiate the applicants somehow ?
    This is what I was told last year.
    There is so much competition out there now compared to a few years ago (at least where I live) that having a cert 3 is nothing I need at least a Diploma.

    Since I have been working (16years) people where happy to train you in the job now you need to have study behind you.
    I dont think Uni is the most important thing but I wouldnt be surprised if by the time my kids are older they will need to go to Uni to get a job

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    Quote Originally Posted by monnie24 View Post
    I find university a huge waist of time. Drinking coffee etc and socialising. Sorry but I have already done big school.
    Wow! Which uni was that??

    Mine required at least 60 hours a week of work ... I studied distance as an adult and can honestly say that the workload was about a million times heavier than any full time job I've ever had.

    Although, it probably depends a bit on the degree and what type of person you are. Mine was a pretty demanding degree, and I'm the kind of person who isn't happy with marks under 90, so I guess if someone was happy to slide through on a pass average then they might have time for socialising


 

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