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    Default Delay entry to school (5/6yr)

    I also think it's unfair that childcare/preschool is such a financial drain. For the wealthy/affluent it's not such a stretch but for those who can least afford it it makes things really tough. For those parents they don't really get that luxury of "choice".
    So for those who keep their kids back a year are more likely to be wealthy and gaps emerge.
    Preschool and schooling should be equal and universal, kids start with those who are the same age so a more "equal" footing, so no one is disadvantaged or falling behind.

    Bit of a moot point anyway if the study is valid as there is apparently no disadvantage to starting "early" anyway

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    I just realised this isn't meant to be a debate thread at all and I haven't answered the op at all 😂.

    Sorry!

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    Quote Originally Posted by Little Miss Sunshine View Post
    I also think it's unfair that childcare/preschool is such a financial drain. For the wealthy/affluent it's not such a stretch but for those who can least afford it it makes things really tough. For those parents they don't really get that luxury of "choice".
    So for those who keep their kids back a year are more likely to be wealthy and gaps emerge.
    Preschool and schooling should be equal and universal, kids start with those who are the same age so a more "equal" footing, so no one is disadvantaged or falling behind.

    Bit of a moot point anyway if the study is valid as there is apparently no disadvantage to starting "early" anyway
    I agree. The cost of cc is insane. But maybe that needs to be addressed rather than the age? Would you send them turning 6 if cc was cheap/free?

    I don't agree those that wait the extra year are wealthy. I'm a SAHM bc that's what works for our family our household income is a little under 60k. I found by the time I paid cc, tax and lost ftb i was making about 50 a week. So I was able to put my kids in preschool the year turning 5

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    The reason the system allows 4 years old to attend even if not ready - this is just *my* view, but it comes from a very neo-liberal view point. That having that option means lots of women can return to the workforce, pay tax and it be worthwhile for them financially bc they don't pay like DC. I think it's also there bc some 4 years are ready. It gives that movement.

    Look, I get what you are saying. But the issue is there is really only 2 options here; to have a fairly wide variable of age as it is now to cater for individualism of both the child and unique family circumstances. Or - we pull that in and enforce one age. But what do we choose? If the govt says the child must turn 5 that year then those with kids not ready will be sending kids who potentially could have their education damaged. If we set the narrow parameter of only turning 6, then people will argue it doesn't allow for gifted kids, or parents in severe financial or emotional hardship.

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    The school my daughters attend seems to decide its own 'cut off' so to speak by not offering places to the younger ones (catholic school).

    This year all the children who started except for 3were born in 2010. The 3 who are 2011 babies were all eary jan birthdays.
    Meaning all the children who started school at this school were 5 before starting and turning 6 during their first year of school.

    My DS will attend this school too, he is a mid march birthday so will have to go the year he is 5 turning 6 as they wont offer him a place in the year before.

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    Quote Originally Posted by 2BlueBirds View Post
    I'll edit to "document" thanks
    That was the word I was looking for ha ha too sleep deprived

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    Default Delay entry to school (5/6yr)

    Quote Originally Posted by delirium View Post
    I agree. The cost of cc is insane. But maybe that needs to be addressed rather than the age? Would you send them turning 6 if cc was cheap/free?

    I don't agree those that wait the extra year are wealthy. I'm a SAHM bc that's what works for our family our household income is a little under 60k. I found by the time I paid cc, tax and lost ftb i was making about 50 a week. So I was able to put my kids in preschool the year turning 5
    For me financial reasons don't factor into it, I can afford it, sure I'd prefer money in my pocket, but not at the expense of my child. But there are many others in my area who cannot access preschool (only one preschool as opposed to several daycare centres) and cannot afford daycare fees. So essentially they are getting no formal education at all. I feel for those families.

    The reason I'm sending my jan 30 baby as she's about to turn 5? I don't see a point to keeping her at home. Yes, she's tiny, but 1 year at home won't change that. She will always be tiny. Yes, she's shy and clingy, and school will help her with this. She's already improved since starting daycare, keeping her isolated most days at home won't improve this. I don't see any benefits to "delaying" her. Only positives.

    I thought those who delayed were more likely to be wealthy/highly educated? (Eta: of which I am neither )Correct me if I'm wrong.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Little Miss Sunshine View Post

    I thought those who delayed were more likely to be wealthy/highly educated? (Eta: of which I am neither )Correct me if I'm wrong.
    My experience has been they are not low income and are more educated. But that doesn't mean everyone that waits is wealthy. We certainly aren't.

    I guess it's like everything, it's perception. You don't see a point to keeping her home (which is perfectly fine, your child, your perception). Whereas I see that lots can be achieved by waiting. I don't see it as delaying in the sense it's used. I see it as extra time to develop skills and behaviours, both at home and at pre school which is more play based but still gently works on school readiness.

    You don't need to justify your reasons Dept of Ed allows you to send her at turning 5 and you will. I just bawk at the view being expressed in the few threads on this that while some want to choose to send early, they also are blaming later starters for the age gap. We are working within the rules just as you are, and as I said, I don't see any other solution bar making the age strict, in which case one of us is forced to send when we don't want to.

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    I may be going against the grain but I like that we have some flexibility. We are vic and so April is our latest, my dd is the start of Feb so she will turn 5 in about week 2 of her first year of school. A little boy we do swimming with is a week or two younger and they won't be starting him. But you only have to see the two in lessons to see why they made that choice. So I appreciate the fact that my daughter gets the opportunity to start and isn't a set deadline if you fall on this side you're in and that side you're out. What I don't like is that I now feel like I'm in the wrong for sending her when we have other children we know the same age and even a month to 6 weeks older who are holding them back simply based on their age. Those kids are clever, their main reason to send them is that the trend is now to send your child later and they don't want them to be among the youngest.

    I am so confused on if we have made the right decision, but at the end of the day with the way the preschool works in Vic we won't get funding for another year (based on what preschool is telling me that they think she is ready) so we either send her to school, keep her at home with me for a year or pay for her to go to daycare with no subsidies as I am a sahm.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Green Cheese View Post
    I may be going against the grain but I like that we have some flexibility. We are vic and so April is our latest, my dd is the start of Feb so she will turn 5 in about week 2 of her first year of school. A little boy we do swimming with is a week or two younger and they won't be starting him. But you only have to see the two in lessons to see why they made that choice. So I appreciate the fact that my daughter gets the opportunity to start and isn't a set deadline if you fall on this side you're in and that side you're out. What I don't like is that I now feel like I'm in the wrong for sending her when we have other children we know the same age and even a month to 6 weeks older who are holding them back simply based on their age. Those kids are clever, their main reason to send them is that the trend is now to send your child later and they don't want them to be among the youngest.

    I am so confused on if we have made the right decision, but at the end of the day with the way the preschool works in Vic we won't get funding for another year (based on what preschool is telling me that they think she is ready) so we either send her to school, keep her at home with me for a year or pay for her to go to daycare with no subsidies as I am a sahm.
    Im in Vic and so far sending Ds when he turns 5 in Feb. he has an older brother which helps and is quick to learn and socially ready.
    I think some BH members from other states don't agree with children starting when they turn 5 by mid-year, so turning 5 in May-June.
    I think!
    Also there will be kids turning 5 years old in Nov/Dec, so really, they're only 2-3 months older than the Feb kids.
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