@Blossom74 How did things go with your cycle?
@tuxcat hey there, im not sure about the 80% but my oseas clinic said 60%. I think the high stats kinda work like...usually at the start of ivf they tell us 20% and i think that is because most ladies doing ivf are 30 or over, so 20% is the norm for women in that 30-mid 30's age bracket. So if your donor is young, say 20-25 years old then about 30% success rate. So if you transfer 2 embryos, thats 30% + 30% = 60%, so i think thats how they get the 60% success rate ive been quoted. It would be lower i think, if your donor is older e.g. 30+ (but with good eggs) and lower if you do a single transfer. Although im not sure about this so anyone please feel free to correct me if my thinking is incorrect :-)
So, today was interesting. First I want to say as a disclaimer that I take everything with a grain of salt, but I am willing to keep digging for answers even if they are not standard or in the medical world. If I just had the black magic curses lifted from my womb by a shaman in Bali, then far out, I'm up for anything!!!
I went to a quite alternative, integrative doctor and I gave her the list of meds I was on when I did the "kitchen sink" protocols and she first did muscle testing (kinesiology) and said "The ones that you badly reacted to were progesterone, pregnyl and the nitro-dur patches". Yep, spot on. The patches gave me blinding headaches that never went away and the pregnyl left me bedridden for weeks - so she was spot on with that. She also said thyroid issues and PTSD, with me giving her no background in that regard. Spot on again, so it was a bit spooky.
She then looked at my blood under a microscope and then tested it with progesterone and said absolutely yes I have a sensitivity or allergy to progesterone - she said she's seen it many times, especially with IVF and in those people who are sensitive or allergic to progesterone the longer you go, and the more pregnancies you have, the worse it gets.
She referred me to the one allergy specialist in Australia who might know something about this - the official name is Autoimmune Progesterone Dermatitis and she can't determine from her ïn-clinic unofficial tests if I do definitely have this, but she thinks it's a possibility. It does fit with my constant allergies, I do have two patches of dermatitis I can't get rid of, my histamine levels are through the roof, and I also had past autoimmune thyroiditis which is now clear, but I obviously have autoimmune tendencies.
Because it can take a year to get into this specialist, she suggested I talk to Dr M about it anyway, as the treatment would be pretty much the same as if I had NKC or similar - so she thought to limit supplemental progesterone if at all possible (depending on levels - if they are OK naturally then just leave them alone) and add in the immune stuff plus anti-histamines. Obviously I would run that all by Dr M but even if I don't have an official diagnosis, that protocol makes sense to me and I'm happy to go in that direction.
Just for interests sake - she said if I am falling pregnant (which I just did and was confirmed with a blood test even though it failed just after) then I'm not ready for DE yet as she firmly believes that I can do this with my own eggs
Long post - sorry! So all in all she validated my thoughts but it's not really based on science at this stage - further investigation is required. Let's see what Dr M has to say about it, and if I do happen to fall pregnant again naturally, then I'm happy to do an immune protocol without progesterone and see what happens.
Last edited by Summer; 25-08-2016 at 17:50.
I'm guessing you and DH are going to be on a bonkathon this month!!
Yeah, the stats are a tricky one and I want to tread very very carefully and sensitively here. I've never found a clinic who can quote 80%. I've definately heard 60-65%, add another approx 5% for a DET. Transferring two embryos doesn't double your chance of success unfortunately. If you could reach a success rate of 80% by using a proven donor then why would anyone go near an unproven donor. When I read 80% being mentioned twice here, I wanted to hold those girls hands for a moment. I felt really protective.
@Caesardust I bought 3 gorgeous little white porcelain vases in Kirstenbosch Gardens. I'd not used them until today. They're now filled with sweet, delicate flowers to celebrate your happy news!
You don't need to do anything other than keep injecting your Gestone daily. Today you're 1dpo.
@Tahli yeah I don't get caught up in stats to be honest. I think we all know that things don't always work out as simply as they could/should so Im under no illusions. I figure the stats are pretty good compared to where Ive been so Im going to take the risk and go for it. You can only hope you'll be one of the lucky ones!
@Summer sounds like you have a plan which is great, I hope it works!
@gorgeousgeorge thanks for your explanation..Ive never cared too much about stats as I said, hey I did 11 oe cycles so clearly I never cared!! If you don't try you'll never know is my mantra
@tuxcat When Dr W was doing one of my CT transfers, he'd popped the embryos back in and I asked him what their chances of implanting were and he said "50/50. They either will or they won't." I was momentarily miffed then I thought fair enough.
How many sleeps til your treatment cycle starts?
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