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    I should add, that I also feel very much like I could have written @Elijahs Mum's first post (except the part about studying and debating religion in my 20s). I rather feel like I would like to know more about all religions, and also admire those who have religious/spiritual beliefs as a core part of their lives.

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    I believe some religions have too much going on. It's almost like a cult.

    I believe God is like a scientist who has created human beings, animals and nature. You just have to look at the complexities of all of these and it leaves you in wonder. Looking at the creation of my girls leaves me in awe. I don't believe it's as simple as we have been created out of thin air. But I believe all God wants from us is to live a happy, fulfilled life with love.

    The universe is so vast and I don't believe we are alone in this universe. It would be selfish to believe we are the only ones. What about all the planets? Surely there is life on those. Just because we can't see.

    My my husband is more religious than I. I do question if God intends for us to live on after death. My husband has faith that we will, otherwise what's the point of our existence, he says. My husband has lost both his parents. He had a great relationship with both. The thought of one day meeting up with them gives him great comfort. I'd like to believe him because he is so wise.

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    @hopefulmum2, spirituality more than or rather than religion?

    I love that religious beliefs comfort those in need. Everyone needs comfort. An extra source of comfort would be lovely 😊

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    I just re-read my post and am horrified at the plethora of spelling errors. The shame! That's probably the catholic guilt in me 😂

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    I also pointed out to said friend's hubby that plenty of atrocities had been commited without any claim to a religious basis, he initially tried to deny it. He also denied that atheists could get OTT.

    Actually, there are a lot of issues I have. And I don't think I can articulate them half as well as you have. And quite probably some of the issues I have are due to lack of understanding or knowledge.
    I cut out most of this quoted post simply because I only had one part I wanted to respond to. There are certainly plenty of atrocities that have been committed without a religious basis. I think the point made by people who make arguments against religion is that you don't hear of these atrocities being done in the name of atheism like you hear about them being done in the name of <insert religion> IYKWIM. The argument isn't that atheists don't commit horrific crimes, it's that they don't do it in the name of atheism.

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    @hopefulmum2, spirituality more than or rather than religion?

    I love that religious beliefs comfort those in need. Everyone needs comfort. An extra source of comfort would be lovely 😊
    If religion brings someone comfort then I think it's a good thing. The same grandmother who prays for me also lost a child when he was 2 years of age and it's why I steer clear of religious talk with her; how can I say that it's all nonsense to a woman who has lost a child and lives thinking she will see him in heaven when she dies? To argue with her would be cruel. But I still get my back up when she prays for me or tells me she "knows" I'll one day do the right thing and baptise the boys, not that it matters though because she prays for them to get into heaven 🙄 I find that really condescending and it sh1ts me to tears. And when my dad tells me I've been brainwashed into not believing in god.... that just baffles me. And when my aunt blocks me on Instagram because I follow atheist accounts and often like their posts. And when my paternal grandmother dies because she refuses a blood transfusion. All that stuff just sh1ts me.

    I kind of rambled there....

    But at least my spelling was spot on.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Moxy View Post
    I just re-read my post and am horrified at the plethora of spelling errors. The shame! That's probably the catholic guilt in me 😂



    I cut out most of this quoted post simply because I only had one part I wanted to respond to. There are certainly plenty of atrocities that have been committed without a religious basis. I think the point made by people who make arguments against religion is that you don't hear of these atrocities being done in the name of atheism like you hear about them being done in the name of <insert religion> IYKWIM. The argument isn't that atheists don't commit horrific crimes, it's that they don't do it in the name of atheism.



    If religion brings someone comfort then I think it's a good thing. The same grandmother who prays for me also lost a child when he was 2 years of age and it's why I steer clear of religious talk with her; how can I say that it's all nonsense to a woman who has lost a child and lives thinking she will see him in heaven when she dies? To argue with her would be cruel. But I still get my back up when she prays for me or tells me she "knows" I'll one day do the right thing and baptise the boys, not that it matters though because she prays for them to get into heaven 🙄 I find that really condescending and it sh1ts me to tears. And when my dad tells me I've been brainwashed into not believing in god.... that just baffles me. And when my aunt blocks me on Instagram because I follow atheist accounts and often like their posts. And when my paternal grandmother dies because she refuses a blood transfusion. All that stuff just sh1ts me.

    I kind of rambled there....

    But at least my spelling was spot on.
    Bahahahaha!

    I know what you mean... my friend had the argument that technically atheism is a lack of belief and therefore committing atrocious acts in the lack of belief of something seems a bit silly. It was more that her husband seemed to be arguing that atheists are not going to commit horrific crimes. Which is bullsh!t. It didn't take long for us to pull that one apart.

    I get where you're coming from. The same things also flummox me. Which is partly why I'm not decided either way. I'd like to think that although I'm not religious, I'm still spiritual... if that makes sense.

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    Harvs, I debated with myself about posting for a week. Curiosity got the better of me. I am not intending for this to be a debate, but will immediately ask mods to close it if I think it's heading that way. So far people have been stating beliefs without going any further, so I'm happy so far!
    Re: second paragraph, does this mean technically you're an agnostic, as you can't definitely say that you don't think there isn't a higher power? I get where you're coming from. I think that I feel the same way. And I guess I sometimes "pray" for lack of a better word, in terms of sending out positive thoughts and thankfulness in relation to specific circumstances, but it's not really to a deity as such.
    Oh, no, I meant brave to go there with your friend! I'm sure this thread will be fine :-)

    Hmm I hadn't considered the agnostic thing. Maybe 'desperately hopeful' would be a better label?!

    I went through a phase too where I thought I believed in reincarnation but at the end of the day I just can't genuinely suspend my disbelief enough, I guess. Always searching, never finding, that's me.

    It's interesting because I have an Insta account just for my planner type photos, and it seems that the planner community has a HUGE proportion of fundamental Christians. They all seem so secure and at peace and I so covet that.

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    Quote Originally Posted by harvs View Post
    Oh, no, I meant brave to go there with your friend! I'm sure this thread will be fine :-)

    Hmm I hadn't considered the agnostic thing. Maybe 'desperately hopeful' would be a better label?!

    I went through a phase too where I thought I believed in reincarnation but at the end of the day I just can't genuinely suspend my disbelief enough, I guess. Always searching, never finding, that's me.

    It's interesting because I have an Insta account just for my planner type photos, and it seems that the planner community has a HUGE proportion of fundamental Christians. They all seem so secure and at peace and I so covet that.
    Don't equate religion with that feeling though. I am totally OK with death and dying, as is DH and his parents (who are also not religious). That's not to say the idea doesn't make me sad or that I welcome it, but I accept it and don't fear it for myself (I hate the idea of leaving my children without a mother though).

    ETA: hit post early. Basically my point is that you can have that feeling of peace with death without religion.
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    I was raised in a Christian home (Baptist) and now have a strong faith and belief myself and of my own choosing. I am raising my kids the same way.

    I believe in God, Jesus and the Holy Spirit. I believe that Jesus died on the cross and rose again on the 3rd day and because of this my sins are forgiven. I believe he is now in Heaven.

    I believe in Baptism, but only for those who can truly understand and accept what they are doing (so not infant baptism). I believe the the Bible is the inspired word of God, written by holy people of God and inspired by the Holy Spirit. I believe that Jesus will one day return to earth and those who believe in him will have eternal life without pain and suffering.

    A lot of people would and do think these beliefs insane or stupid but I guess that's what faith truly is about. What I have I lost by believing? If I am wrong I lose nothing really as I have lived a good life. If I didn't believe (as in God exists and we will be given eternal life if we believe in him) and I was wrong....it seems I might have a lot to lose? Faith is what it boils down to.

    I never ever push my views and beliefs on people. If they ask me what or why I believe I tell them.

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    @harvs, you make me laugh! Not too worried about debating with him - he actually likes to debate purely from an intellectual point of view, and I don't have any strong religious beliefs to take what he says the wrong way.

    Richard Dawkins, who wrote 'The God Delusion' calls himself an agnostic, because he can't definitively say that there isn't a God (or something to that effect).

    On the subject of reincarnation, my friend (who was helping me debate her hubby), said she kind of believes in it, in terms of when she dies, her body returns to the earth, absorbed by a flower, and then she's part of the flower. I guess that's a cycle you could hold to? But I guess we're getting to spirituality rather than a religion per se.

    We all want security and peace. More power to them to finding something that works for them, huh. Would be nice.

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    Dawkins talks about levels of atheism. Let me see if I can find it...

    http://bigthink.com/think-tank/atheism-easter-atheister
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