Charlie74 im not sure about wazza in particular regarding when they say poor egg quality. But i think the general number is after 4 or more full stim cycles and all the transfers from 4 cycles, they will mention donor ivf. I asked my fs after failed stim cycle 3 and he said its worth doing 1 more but then said after that we might need to move on to de ivf. I think they are also thinking of the $$$ for you, in that after 4 full stims youve prob spent about 15k and so thats a s h i t l o a d of money for the average person to spend so they feel obligated to mention de as many people would be running out of cash by that point in time. I dont think they ever say "no you cant keep trying with your own eggs" or "we know 100% that your eggs will never work". Its more that they are trying to say "if you do keep trying with OE be prepared/understand that it may take a long time, lots more stressful cycles, tww's, disappointments and $$$$$$ to get there". I realised on a practical financial level that 2-3 more own eggs cyckes with borrowed money would nean i wpuld have no way of getting more $ to then turn to DE.
My dh, who is usually pretty quiet about everything and just does whatever i tell him too ;-) actually told me yesterday that he was proud of me for deciding to take the option that was just more likely to work, even though its not what i originally wanted. (Although, he is probably more just glad that im not a depressed, bedridden, unshowered sasquatch, needing him to bring me icecream and twisties anymore).
@Tahli it was a sonographer who originally suggested I had adenomyosis but wasn't confirmed until I had surgery. FWIW my FS also said the research was inconclusive as to it's effects on fertility. He still treated it though as if it might. From memory adeno can be diffuse or in small spots. Mine was the later (I had 2 small areas on the anterior side of my uterus). The diffuse type is thought to be worse for implantation as if you have some unaffected areas the egg has a better chance to implant. I was on zolodex for 3 months before my fourth transfer which was unsuccesful. The effects are supposed to last up to a year though so it may have unfluenced our succesful cycle BUT I actually got symptoms back (pain) after 3 months and the FS chose to put me on the pill for three months to treat it. He wouldn't do another round of Zolodex as we were doing OE and the risk of shutting down the ovaries was too high (he only did Zolodex the first time because my AMH was so high that I could risk losing some egg numbers). The after OCP cycle was our succesful one. Interestingly the sonographer doing that cycles scans said my uterus was still bulky. Obviously all the treatment wasn't totally succesful but it did reduce and I guess the associated inflammatory response to the adeno was down too.
As for Wazzas suggestion of California Conceptions as plan B that was the clinic we looked into for our plan B when the FS incorrectly thought DH's sperm was crap. I know they have a 90% succes rate over three transfers (you get three for your fee) and if you want to pop over the the baby center community US site there is a whole thread devoted to it. There is also a specific sub thread for Aussies with lots of info on the clinic. It absolutely saved my sanity reading it when I felt everything was going wrong with my own cycles. I felt there was hope.
Apologies to the ladies that were stressed out after I posted on the double synarel ovulation thing. I can't remember who did the double dose as trigger but I know it was specifically because of the OHSS and probably doesn't work in normal circumstances. Please don't worry about it. I'd hate to think I caused any of the warrior women more stress than they already have.
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