@greenlady oh thank you soooooo much for that comment. Thats exactly what its doing. Nothing on my pad in the morning then by the time I get to work it feels wet. Then by lunch its gone. Its dark brown smudge on liner and wee is always clear. Hows that for a visual! May as well keep going, Im so bloated from the pessaries up the exit (Blossom isn't here its ok) I just want to let one escape and because Im on the train listening to music I may let one out and not even know. I am living the dream..