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    Quote Originally Posted by Louise41 View Post
    What I don't understand is how is putting your name on the census any different to signing up to loyalty cards? How do we know that good old Best n Less for example don't store their customer info securely or have hackers get into their computers ? If someone wants your information they will get it ..

    Medicare , Centrelink , ATO, passport office to name a few all have your name and address and store it for years and years . How is the census any different?

    Maybe I'm missing something?
    You're not missing anything. The whole privacy issue is a storm in a teacup

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    Quote Originally Posted by Louise41 View Post
    What I don't understand is how is putting your name on the census any different to signing up to loyalty cards? How do we know that good old Best n Less for example don't store their customer info securely or have hackers get into their computers ? If someone wants your information they will get it ..

    Medicare , Centrelink , ATO, passport office to name a few all have your name and address and store it for years and years . How is the census any different?

    Maybe I'm missing something?
    I agree!

    People who don't agree say the difference is those other things aren't compulsory. I don't see how that makes an iota of a difference IMHO.

    Look it sucks there were hackers but from the report, it seems it has been done to mainly cause a nuisance. Which they've now done.

    As I said to DH, people could have filled it in before hand or have until 23 September, there's no reason everyone had to do it last night.

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    Default Census 2016

    Like others I'm not overly bothered by what I've disclosed in the census. It's all out there anyway.
    But I think this has been extremely damaging. It's broken the trust the majority of Australians had in the system. It wasn't so much of the nature of the info but the fact the abs/government provided continuous reassurances that the site could cope and our data would be safe. I can understand many would be upset and paranoid and no longer want to do it online (or at all).

    And they were so bloody heavy handed pointing out the fines, little knowledge you could do it another time, and making you request paper forms to basically force you online.....

    It's a big tits up really.
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    You might find some people don't use loyalty cards, and those same people are having their choices taken away in regards to census. It's compulsory. Best & Less ain't. ATO, Medicare, and Centrelink may indeed hold some of your personal data. Not to the extent required on census.

    I think that "census night" is promoted as THE night to fill out your census, so makes sense(us?) that most of Australia hopped online to do so. The only thing that doesn't make sense to me is how poorly the ABS planned for it....

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    A lot of people have this funny misconception that the government and a bunch of private organisations don't already have a tonne of personal information about every intimate detail of their lives. Good luck with that!

    Has Edward Snowden taught you nothing?

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    Because you are happy to give your personal details to big corporations doesn't mean that everybody is...

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    Quote Originally Posted by BornToBe View Post
    You might find some people don't use loyalty cards, and those same people are having their choices taken away in regards to census. It's compulsory. Best & Less ain't. ATO, Medicare, and Centrelink may indeed hold some of your personal data. Not to the extent required on census.

    I think that "census night" is promoted as THE night to fill out your census, so makes sense(us?) that most of Australia hopped online to do so. The only thing that doesn't make sense to me is how poorly the ABS planned for it....
    It was definitely badly managed! And as some people pointed out earlier, not many people even knew about the census until just a week ago or so. Really stupid!

    But I don't agree that the ABS has more data about you than Medicare, Centrelink and ATO. I'm a tax agent and have access to ATO databases and I can tell you, they know a hell of a lot more than a census form reveals. With Centrelink, they know about your kids, they know about your income, employment status, student status, etc - Medicare has access to all you medical history, what batch of vaccine your kids received..

    Basically unless you keep all your cash under your pillow and don't participate in society at all, your privacy is not safe. You have no privacy. Unless you consider privacy to be staying in your house with the doors locked and the blinds drawn.

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    Quote Originally Posted by witherwings View Post
    It was definitely badly managed! And as some people pointed out earlier, not many people even knew about the census until just a week ago or so. Really stupid!

    But I don't agree that the ABS has more data about you than Medicare, Centrelink and ATO. I'm a tax agent and have access to ATO databases and I can tell you, they know a hell of a lot more than a census form reveals. With Centrelink, they know about your kids, they know about your income, employment status, student status, etc - Medicare has access to all you medical history, what batch of vaccine your kids received..

    Basically unless you keep all your cash under your pillow and don't participate in society at all, your privacy is not safe. You have no privacy. Unless you consider privacy to be staying in your house with the doors locked and the blinds drawn.
    I agree with this! So many other government agencies that require you to fill in more specific private information than the census. I don't see what all the fuss is about as Medicare and Centrelink know far more about me than the census!

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    We are real estate agents - people probably don't realise how much info we have on clients - past addresses, phone numbers ( even do not call ones) , emails, bank account details, pay slips, loan documents, title deeds, outstanding debts, tax file numbers, Medicare details, loan amounts, passports, drivers licence, all your property details ( lot no, size, what you paid for it, what its rented for, who rents it , council applications, renovations etc) yes we are heavily regulated but it's astonishing how much info we have so I can only imagine what the government has!
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    Quote Originally Posted by witherwings View Post
    Basically unless you keep all your cash under your pillow and don't participate in society at all, your privacy is not safe. You have no privacy. Unless you consider privacy to be staying in your house with the doors locked and the blinds drawn.
    I don't really see the argument in "you've voluntary given some information, so don't complain about being coerced into volunteering some more". It just doesn't fly with me.

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