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    Quote Originally Posted by Sonja View Post
    Rubbish. It is not. She is expressing fear of Muslims, or of Islam. She is right to be scared of terrorism, or of extremists. But it would be like me saying I'm terrified of Catholics because I had a bad experience at primary school.

    She isn't even trying to understand how the majority of people of those faiths feel.

    And strictly yes xenophobia is fear of people from another country. But given Australia is not a Muslim country, it's a fair shot that the majority she fears do come from somewhere else.
    Um everyone in Australia comes from somewhere else. My point in all this is that this is a woman expressing concerns and fears which I believe are totally valid. The future of Australia does not not depend on her views. So I don't know why we're are ripping into her so hard. It's no different from someone being vary of catholic priests because of their bad press of pedophilia over the last 30 years.

    After the horror of what been happening in the Middle East and in Africa ie, the beheadings, rapings, and mutilations it's understandable to be a bit vary of these kind of things coming to Australia.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Sonja View Post
    Can we stop spelling her name Sonja. It's Sonia. Sorry I keep thinking people are calling me racist
    Haha me too
    Keep replying out loud "surely they can't call @Sonja racist or xenophobic?!"

    Sonia though, classic definition of a xenophobic person. It's an easy trap to fall in but I expect more from public figures.

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    Quote Originally Posted by ThreePeasPlease View Post
    So you are saying that you are all peace loving moon beams and have never in your life had a discriminatory, bigoted thought based on fear? Please....
    I'm not saying I'm perfect but I consider myself to be extremely tolerant and accepting of people. In my profession, I meet people from all walks of life, from different socioeconomic backgrounds, different ages, religions, cultures, abilities. And I can instantly build a rapport with any one of them because I don't consider them beneath me or above me, and I love learning about people's lives and backgrounds and interests. So to answer your question, no I don't have bigoted thoughts and fears. I doubt I ever had any, as an adult at least.

    Yes I have fears. And yes I realise there are people out there who are fanatics and see me as the enemy and would want to kill me if they had the chance. But it doesn't make me live in fear, and it certainly doesn't make me want to support a discriminatory immigration policy in the hopes that it would stop someone immigrating to this country for the sole purpose of carrying out a terrorist attack. The thought of this happening just seems absolutely nonsensical to me.

    As I mentioned earlier in this thread, people don't immigrate to another country Unless they are looking for a better quality of life, and greater opportunities for success and happiness. The sort of radicals you are fearing are ALREADY here, and they are only going to increase in numbers when they are made to feel disconnected from society, discriminated against and hated.

    And don't you think the people who apply for immigration/visas have stringent background checks done on them?
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    Quote Originally Posted by ThreePeasPlease View Post

    After the horror of what been happening in the Middle East and in Africa ie, the beheadings, rapings, and mutilations it's understandable to be a bit vary of these kind of things coming to Australia.
    You do realise there are rapists and murderers in Australia right? Not specifically Muslim rapists and murders, just your typical white murderer and rapist.

    It is not a phenomenon unique to people with dark skin.

    Just saying.

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    Quote Originally Posted by witherwings View Post
    You do realise there are rapists and murderers in Australia right? Not specifically Muslim rapists and murders, just your typical white murderer and rapist.

    It is not a phenomenon unique to people with dark skin.

    Just saying.
    We are worried about rapists and murderes and pedophiles. But these guys are radicalised religious fundamentalists, this is a whole new bag of fish.

    I think if Sonia had said this in a private group instead of on television, you PC nazis would be less judgemental and probably more empathetic... Just saying.

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    Default Sonia Kruger - glass house?

    Quote Originally Posted by ThreePeasPlease View Post
    We are worried about rapists and murderes and pedophiles. But these guys are radicalised religious fundamentalists, this is a whole new bag of fish.

    I think if Sonia had said this in a private group instead of on television, you PC nazis would be less judgemental and probably more empathetic... Just saying.
    Nah nope. I have had people say things like this in a private setting and it still makes me angry.

    ETA resorting to calling people who don't like racism and vitriol nazis? Classy
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    Quote Originally Posted by Sonja View Post
    Nah nope. I have had people say things like this in a private setting and it still makes me angry.
    Why does it make you angry? Which part of it makes you angry?

    Can you discern the difference between garden variety racism and fear?

    I suggest watching Gandhi ...

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    Quote Originally Posted by ThreePeasPlease View Post
    We are worried about rapists and murderes and pedophiles. But these guys are radicalised religious fundamentalists, this is a whole new bag of fish.

    I think if Sonia had said this in a private group instead of on television, you PC nazis would be less judgemental and probably more empathetic... Just saying.
    Is it PC to speak out against discrimination now?

    And I was responding to your comment about the raping and killing in the Middle East and Africa coming to Australia, which just sounded ridiculous. Sorry.

    If anything, I think the more immigration to this country, the better. We need to dilute the population of the colonialists who committed genocide, raped and kidnapped the native people of this land and populated it with convicts.

    Just saying!

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    Quote Originally Posted by ThreePeasPlease View Post
    She isn't fearing something different or strangers, what she is saying is that the extremist hide under a 'cover' of Islam, her fear is based on the fact that if we let everyone who is Muslim into the country how do we know that not 1 of them could be an extremist. It's not that she has anything against the majority of Muslim people who do good, its not even the religion she has a thing against, its her fear that one could come in under 'Muslim' but have completely destructive agenda and do something that could potentially hurt a lot of people. Do you understand?
    Do I understand? No, quite frankly. What on earth are you talking about? Where to even start with this?

    "the extremist hide under a 'cover' of Islam"

    "...her fear that one could come in under 'Muslim' but have completely destructive agenda and do something that could potentially hurt a lot of people."

    Are you saying people pretend to be Muslim? And that that will help them immigrate somehow?

    "It's not that she has anything against the majority of Muslim people who do good..." - well, yes it is. Saying no more Muslim immigration means discriminating against that vast majority of Muslim people!

    And the idea that extremism always comes from the outside? I don't think so. (Can't be bothered Googling anything about this - but lots of home-grown nutters overseas lately.)

    All religions have nutters. Wesboro Baptist Church, anyone? No 'religion of peace' there. [Ps - not knocking the whole Christian religion there - just pointing out that there are fringe elements even in the religions most of us know lots about.]

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    Quote Originally Posted by Sonja View Post
    ETA resorting to calling people who don't like racism and vitriol nazis? Classy
    I said PC nazis. There's a difference.


 

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