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    Quote Originally Posted by Sonja View Post
    @Little Miss Sunshine I don't think anyone is doing anything more than trying to help explain rationally why the fear, while real for that person, is largely unfounded. I work on facts and what I know and I'm comfortable that I won't die in a terrorist attack.

    It's hard I get that. We knew the kids shot down in MH17. Through our work DH and I know people who knew the barrister killed in the Lindt siege. So it's very real.

    But it's still not real enough to make me scared Maybe I've just been fortunate in my life to meet many kind and generous people of all backgrounds so I don't feel scared. I don't know.
    If that's the case then fair enough. But there is a risk that pointing out people are being silly for thinking this way, with the implication they are ignorant, can shut a conversation down.

    I'm not sure what the answer is.

    As I said I'm not overly scared. But I'm not an anxious type of person either. I can appreciate though there are those that are.

    I think we are starting to go in circles, so I'll stop banging on my point

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    Default Sonia Kruger - glass house?

    I'm scared of everything. I know that. I'm extremely phobic. Many times it's irrational.

    When I'm on a plane and about to pass out from fear, what comforts me is the statistic that even if you flew everyday for (I think) 60 years, you'd still only have a 50/50 chance of dying in plane crash the next day.

    I am terrified of driving to the point that I didn't get my Ps until I was 35.

    I know the statistics. I read the statistics. It's part of my attempt to function normally and not freak out every damn day.

    My fear of being caught up in an attack is very, very real, and there is actually nothing I can do to quell it.

    I live in a small town in rural SA. I know that I am fine here. But just like I make myself drive, I do make myself fly and travel, and the anxiety I feel, the edginess I feel and the hypervigilence when I do is present almost all the time.

    The only comfort I have is that it's all not in my control, but that is the basis of my fear as well.

    None of this means that I agree with what SK and Pauline are suggesting, but I am scared.

    I think it needs to be acknowledged that its a real fear that many of us share. I am so glad that there are people that don't have the fear, but that's not me.

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    Actually I think the media do have a lot to answer for inciting/creating fear.

    The news corp papers are just awful.

    Unfortunately when you have free press and free speech this is a downside.

    I remember the attack in jail on a fellow inmate that made the front page as it was a "hate crime", yet violence occurs in jails on a daily basis without a blip.

    It is frustrating.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Little Miss Sunshine View Post
    I'm sure nearly everyone is if not scared at the very least hyper vigilant, cautious and on edge if they are driving in unfamiliar or unsafe conditions, particularly with others in the car.

    Again I fail to see the relevancy in quoting these statistics. People out there are scared of terrorism no matter how irrational it may seem. And I'm sure as pp have mentioned they are aware they are being irrational but it still doesn't change how they feel.
    I think that (for some people at least) it can be important to question whether your anxiety or worry over something is 'logical' or not. Even if it doesn't change how you feel, it may change how you behave/react in certain situations. Just because you (general 'you') are scared of something does not give you the automatic right to behave however you want to at the expense/discrimination of others.

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    Quote Originally Posted by BigRedV View Post
    Such a shame they can't seem to protect women from murderous partners.
    I know this is off topic but this really ****es me off. As a police officer's wife I see every single day what my DH goes through. I live through the fear every day that some idiot will injure or kill my DH. I sit checking my phone every 5 minutes when he leaves the house in the middle of the night to execute a warrant. My heart aches when he walks in the door and I can see it written all over him that today was a bad day. My DH works in child protection and has to subject himself to viewing some of the vilest most horrific imagery in the pursuit of identifying and hopefully catching the offenders. It is eating away at his soul - he does this to protect his children and YOURS.

    The officers who attend domestic violence situations, child abuse and neglect are doing the BEST they can within the laws that constrain them, the VERY limited resources they have available and with **** pay, horrible working hours and conditions, public stigma (pigs anyone?), and NO support for their mental health.

    So your throw away remark is completely uncalled for and the reason my DH rarely tells people what he does for a living.

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    Treading gently here I think in BigRedV's defence she isn't referring to police officers in the firing line. That's like blaming nurses for not finding a cure for cancer. Police officers do their job and for the most part (like every profession) do it extremely well.

    It's the policy makers higher up in defence forces of all kinds that I think she is referring to. The ones who focus on terrorism as a policy rather than seeking to wipe out domestic deaths.

    The rate of deaths by domestic partners is extremely significant. Police officers can often do very little to change this. But those much higher up can do a lot more.

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    Default Sonia Kruger - glass house?

    @harvs you are not alone. My MIL and SIL suffer terribly from anxiety and I feel for them. SIL is agoraphobic and can't even go to the mailbox she's so scared of the world. And simply saying "stop being silly nothing bad is going to happen" is the WRONG response.

    Whilst I'm not scared of a terrorist attack per se, I'm worried for the future of this country. I look at Europe- France in particular- and worry that we too are at risk of creating clusters of minorities who have little hope, are angry with the western way of life and are isolated from the wider community. Whether my fear of this occurring is rational or not I don't know. I guarantee I'm not alone in thinking this way.

    That's why @witherwings initial post rang so strongly with me. There is a real and urgent need to change how we are doing things. Society is becoming increasingly divided and we need to concentrate on acceptance, tolerance and integration (note- integration NOT assimilation) in the wider society. Simply accepting the status quo is no longer an acceptable solution to most people, hence a debate and a strategy of how they plan to do this among our leaders is needed to break this cycle of intolerance/isolation/hatred.
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    Also if it's any consolation I'm told I'm naive and stupid for not being afraid. Depends on who you're talking to but the views are held strongly on both sides.

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    Quote Originally Posted by witherwings View Post
    I know this is really getting off topic now, but I just want to respond to this because it's not entirely correct. There was a civil war in Lebanon for over a decade between Christians and Muslims which started in the 70s. It resulted in a small genocide of Christians.

    But, as you say, that scenario cannot be applied to Australia because (1) the Muslim population in Australia is negligible compared to Christians, (2) the Muslims in Lebanon who instigated the war came to Lebanon as Palestinian militants, not law abiding economic immigrants, (3) you can't really compare a war torn country in the Middle East to Australia. It's OTT as uou point you, and irrelevant. A more relevant comparison would be nazi Germany.

    ETA: literally just saw this shared on Facebook by one of my Iraqi friends.

    https://www.facebook.com/TEDEducatio...0972065915997/
    Sorry yes there was the civil war quite some time ago. The original post was (I think?) implying current violence.

    And yes quite off topic! I used to live there (and in Israel) so a topic I have some interest in.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Little Miss Sunshine View Post

    Whilst I'm not scared of a terrorist attack per se, I'm worried for the future of this country. I look at Europe- France in particular- and worry that we too are at risk of creating clusters of minorities who have little hope, are angry with the western way of life and are isolated from the wider community. Whether my fear of this occurring is rational or not I don't know. I guarantee I'm not alone in thinking this way.

    That's why @witherwings initial post rang so strongly with me. There is a real and urgent need to change how we are doing things. Society is becoming increasingly divided and we need to concentrate on acceptance, tolerance and integration (note- integration NOT assimilation) in the wider society. Simply accepting the status quo is no longer an acceptable solution to most people, hence a debate and a strategy of how they plan to do this among our leaders is needed to break this cycle of intolerance/isolation/hatred.
    So true! Absolutely spot on!


 

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