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    I must say, I disagree that kids these days see more 'adult' content than we did as kids. My parents had very little choice as to when they would view more 'adult' tv programs, so I used to be there when they watched the news & tv shows like 'E.R' & Friends from quite a young age. If I want to watch an 'adult' tv show, I can record it & wait until the kids are in bed asleep. My kids have never seen any live tv channels, except occassionally abc kids - we usually watch shows off the media centre, or these days, netflix. They are soooo much more sheltered in what tv they access than I was.

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    I was a kid in the 70,s so tv at night for us was Sale of the Century! I remember dad watching MASH but we were never allowed to watch TV after 7.30 - but today my 11 year old niece watches Home and Away ( I was shocked at some of the current story lines !) has access to the Internet , plays mine craft and other video games, has 30 plus TV channels on Foxtel so absolutely has more adult content than I ever did at that age - if she wants to find out something she jumps on her lap top and googles it - I had to go to the library! DS will be the same so i definitely believe kids today are easily exposed to more adult content

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    Quote Originally Posted by Elijahs Mum View Post
    I was a kid in the 70,s so tv at night for us was Sale of the Century! I remember dad watching MASH but we were never allowed to watch TV after 7.30 - but today my 11 year old niece watches Home and Away ( I was shocked at some of the current story lines !) has access to the Internet , plays mine craft and other video games, has 30 plus TV channels on Foxtel so absolutely has more adult content than I ever did at that age - if she wants to find out something she jumps on her lap top and googles it - I had to go to the library! DS will be the same so i definitely believe kids today are easily exposed to more adult content
    Yes I see what you're saying, kids could more easily access shows, even p0rn, etc online - but I think the onus is on parents even more so than ever to be watchful of what their kids can access online or on TV. I think it will become more difficult as my kids get older & one day have their own devices with internet access, etc - but for now,while my kids are little, I find there is so much more choice as to what I can and cannot allow them to watch.

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    See, I don't see this programme as being truly sex education. This, in my view, is gender politicking and a completely different issue that smacks of an agenda as clearly elicited by the SSC.

    I don't believe that no children are being harmed by this. I certainly found the material to be coercive, confusing and explosive in terms of what it cited as being factual and what it believed a child should be taught. Having attended a conference about six months ago, I am aware that many schools did not opt to take it on citing concerns that prompted the government to review it and I am also aware that students have refused to take part in it and that many parents have refused to allow their children to take part in it. So clearly there are quite a few others out there who feel that it does harm children. People are also scared of airing their issues with it for fear of being accused of being bigoted and small minded as was the case with the gay marriage debate. (It wasn't a debate if you didn't happen to agree but a smack down). Not good at all for education on any level I would wager.

    During the conference I attended, I found it interesting tonote that it was difficult to find anyone that wholeheartedly supported theprogramme in its present form. Being aware of one’s sexuality has a time andplace. Each child is different and emergence of that awareness does notsubscribe to a timetable. It is not for us to pre-empt, furnish or mould. This ismarkedly different issue to supporting a child regarding his or her sexualityor protection. That these issues are being confused is not surprising given thedumbing down of our current society in the name of free speech and diversity.In the midst of this, I also query the method of diagnosis regarding what constitutes a transgender child. How does a teacher know this? Take the word of a child,particularly one approaching puberty or in the midst of an abusive situation? It is well documented that when children are raised in an abusive household, they adopt the same traits and grow up believing they are the only thing they know. Ifsomeone is schizophrenic they are referred to a psychiatrist. Why not then achild that is found to have gender dysphoria? Why, instead, should this beencouraged and assumed that this is completely normal? It’s not a loaded question, just a simple one. And another verygood reason why a programme of this nature is not for the classroom.
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    Default Tell me about the "Safe Schools" program

    Where is the 'right' place then? If we're not teaching our kids acceptance and unity in schools where are they going to learn it? I can guarantee you the majority of heterosexual couples are not teaching their kids that some people are LGBTI and that's okay. Why? Because it's not an issue for them. It's not about pushing an 'agenda' it's about creating a space for people like my 15 year old self, so we don't have to lock ourselves away every lunch time because we feel different and disgusting and ashamed. Until you've been marginalised like that you could never know how important a program like this is.
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    Default Tell me about the "Safe Schools" program

    @Mrs Tickles
    I posted before you edited. Yes. If a child/ teenager says they are transgender then that is what they are. Right in that moment that is what they feel. Support them. Don't look for a way to 'explain' it. And transgendered people absolutely receive psychiatric care. For many many years they have input from various health professionals. The ones that don't, probably aren't here to tell the story. It's important to ask though... Why don't you consider it normal? What is 'normal'? Thinking like that is exactly why the safe schools program is so important This is a complex issue and not one that can be understood by simply attending a conference.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Renn View Post
    From a teaching background, and currently working in the field of child protection, I wholeheartedly support the program. It's a fantastic resource that enables teachers to tackle difficult issues in a respectful manner.

    Like it or not, there ARE gay and transgender kids in our schools. No, many of them aren't aware of their sexuality yet, but that doesn't mean they're unaware of their 'difference'. Gender conformity is pushed so strongly in our society, and children are very well attuned to this. Those kids who feel that they don't fit the mold are well aware, and often feel that there's something wrong with them. The safe schools program is literally lifesaving. For children to know that they are not the only one, and that their school stands behind them, is enormously important.

    Children are not being harmed by this program, but it can save lives. In my books, the interests of those children far outweighs the comfort of adults.
    Renn you have said this perfectly. I am gay and knew I was different from about 7 or 8. I had no idea why I was different but I just was. Once I learnt what the difference was I felt shame because nobody had ever told me it was okay to be gay. Nobody had had any discussion with me. Ever. It was not ever about sex or vaginas it was about having a crush on girl. I felt sick every day and every night because all the other girls had crushes on boys and I had a dirty shameful secret.

    I can say with absolute certainty, that if The same schools program had existed when i was growing up I wouldn't have spent years on antidepressants and trying to look for ways to fix myself. I'm only 30 as well, we have not come far enough if we are still debating whether the explanation of being gay or transgendered is 'appropriate' content for children.
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    Apart from being quite presumptive, I think you have not understood what I have written, A&S. My comments regarding the conference were made as a marker of attitudes towards the programme but the bulk of my comments were regarding the actual programme itself for which I did provide examples to illustrate those comments further. Have you partaken in the programme itself? Have you delivered or even read it? Doesn't sound as though you have.

    Rather than choose the reactionary route, I simply put forward my concerns regarding the demographic at whom the somewhat advanced issues of gender politics and social engineering is aimed and whether it's an appropriate platform for such issues. Even as you said yourself, it's very complex and if you don't expect me to exact any understanding of it in a two day conference then how the heck can you expect young children to pick it up in an 8 lesson format? I am not a dismissive person. I like to look into things, feel around them and extract as much meaning as I can from them before I formulate an opinion of them. All I can be is honest and it's after much consideration and research, I don't feel that the SSP is appropriate for schools and can actually be counterproductive. This isn't a gay issue. And that was my point. It's a human one. And for every right you claim, remember that there are responsibilities too. And one of those responsibilities is keep all our children safe and that includes not allowing their minds to be hijacked by an element of the community with a specific agenda that has very little to do with concrete education. Schools do have inclusion and anti-bullying policies that were well in place before SS was around. SS was introduced to make the sexual and gender element prominent and many people just don't agree that this is the right way and for reasons I explained earlier. Please note too that concerns were elicited from right across communities not just the heterosexual corner as you appear to presume.

    Irrespective of what your adult self protests, I still believe that the right of the parent to decide when and how their child is safely introduced to such issues is inalienable and should be respected: something I find the majority still supports.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Mrs Tickle View Post
    And one of those responsibilities is keep all our children safe and that includes not allowing their minds to be hijacked by an element of the community with a specific agenda...
    You can't be serious. I think this statement might be an insight into how you really feel about this 'element of the community'. 😮

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    Afraid of kids catching gay?

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