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    Quote Originally Posted by BigRedV View Post
    They're closer to her than the greens (politically I mean) yet they've done deals with the greens.
    But her policies have nothing to do with the liberal's economic or social principles. And Malcolm Turnbull believes in climate change. His daughter in law is Asian, he supports marriage equality, I mean really, he would not only be doing a deal with the devil but literally become a sell out that no one would respect. If the leader of the coalition was tony Abbott, I might be worried about him actually doing a deal.. But not Malcolm Turnbull.

    I get that whoever wins government would have to cooperate with the crossbenchers but I hope that cooperation doesn't involve adding racist, discriminatory or backward content into Australian legislation.

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    Quote Originally Posted by delirium View Post
    Did she just compare homosexuality with consenting adults, to pedophilia and child marriage??

    I'm straight and that makes me wild. It must be exhausting putting up with this crap all the time
    Yes, yes it is. And we probably have a plebiscite on human rights to come where this sort of rubbish is going to be par for the course.

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    I think it's funny her daughter is in the Greens That must really jerk her dog chain.

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    Quote Originally Posted by delirium View Post
    Did she just compare homosexuality with consenting adults, to pedophilia and child marriage??

    I'm straight and that makes me wild. It must be exhausting putting up with this crap all the time
    Unfortunately it seems to be par for the course with that mindset. My exdh was similar. When he found out our neighbours were a gay couple for reasons unknown he became convinced they were filming low budget pornos in their private courtyard (based on number of visitors to the house) and had conniptions when our then 3 year old DS ran naked around the yard because he was sure the neighbours would be watching and secretly filming DS. *shudder*
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    Quote Originally Posted by JustJaq View Post
    Ah.. you're trying to apply logic and reason! That's where it's all gone wrong

    Pauline (and other cross-benchers) won't need to provide a good reason for not backing legislation put up by the government of the day - they can just not vote for it. They can come up with some half-@rsed reason if they like, but really, they don't need a reason. Behind the scenes, or even out in open debate, they can say things like 'I won't pass this tax bill (or whatever), until the government listens to my concerns about this mad thing', and hold the government to ransom a bit.

    Going from rough memory here - but I think it was Andrew Wilke (independent) who did this sort of thing with Julia Gillard - made gambling reform (I think) a condition of his support for other unrelated legislation.

    Cross-benchers (in either house) are incredibly powerful in a hung parliament.
    Ok, we are officially ****ed

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    Quote Originally Posted by witherwings View Post
    But her policies have nothing to do with the liberal's economic or social principles. And Malcolm Turnbull believes in climate change. His daughter in law is Asian, he supports marriage equality, I mean really, he would not only be doing a deal with the devil but literally become a sell out that no one would respect. If the leader of the coalition was tony Abbott, I might be worried about him actually doing a deal.. But not Malcolm Turnbull.

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    Much as anyone might like Malcolm personally, he has his party and the Nats to contend with and keep in line. He's been incredibly weakened within the party by this election result, and will need to move closer to the centre, socially, to retain the support of his party I think. It's not all down to personalities, unfortunately. It's the right(er) wing of the party that's bringing the plebiscite, despite Malcolm's personal support for gay marriage. He's needed to compromise his own personal views, and will need do so so (and more so) in the future I think.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Moxy View Post
    She has a weird obsession with Islam. How did she manage to draw such a long bow there? Talk about a tenuous link.
    Hey at least she's keeping with the times. I remember a 60 minutes interview in the mid nineties where she kept on talking about "Red's under the bed" ie the spread of communism and Japan being the most racist nation on earth.

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    Quote Originally Posted by SSecret Squirrel View Post
    Unfortunately it seems to be par for the course with that mindset. My exdh was similar. When he found out our neighbours were a gay couple for reasons unknown he became convinced they were filming low budget pornos in their private courtyard (based on number of visitors to the house) and had conniptions when our then 3 year old DS ran naked around the yard because he was sure the neighbours would be watching and secretly filming DS. *shudder*
    Some homophobia is so ridiculous it's laughable... almost. (I did lol at your post though, I have to say )

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    Quote Originally Posted by JustJaq View Post
    Some homophobia is so ridiculous it's laughable... almost. (I did lol at your post though, I have to say )
    So relieved you laughed. I would hate to offend anyone.

    Please note - I do NOT share similar view to my ex.

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    Quote Originally Posted by JustJaq View Post
    Much as anyone might like Malcolm personally, he has his party and the Nats to contend with and keep in line. He's been incredibly weakened within the party by this election result, and will need to move closer to the centre, socially, to retain the support of his party I think. It's not all down to personalities, unfortunately. It's the right(er) wing of the party that's bringing the plebiscite, despite Malcolm's personal support for gay marriage. He's needed to compromise his own personal views, and will need do so so (and more so) in the future I think.
    Actually I think of the election result as having the opposite effect, but I see your point as well. The loss of seats means that the traditional right-wing party line is not winning Australians over. People aren't happy with the coalition's immigration policy, education funding cuts etc.. If the LNP continue doing what they've been doing over the last 3 years they will lose even more support.

    I realise that policies and promises won't be based on Malcolm turnbull's personal values and beliefs, but I still can't see him agreeing to make deals which will take religious freedoms away from people.


 

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