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    Liberal party beliefs

    * an equal opportunity for all Australians (they forget to add except if you're Aboriginal, disabled, mentally unwell, if you're poor. They won't fund last 2 years of gonski!)

    * preserving Australia's natural beauty (is that a joke?)

    * maintaining world peace (spent $400 million last year bombing the Middle East then only wanting to help Christian who need a new home)

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    I also think it is ok to vote because of a candidate not considering party "beliefs" because I don't know how anyone in SA can physically vote for Libs in the senate when Cory Bernadi is their number 1 there.

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    Quote Originally Posted by witherwings View Post
    I'll vote for the liberal party as long as their party ideology remains the same. If that starts to change, I might choose to vote for another party.
    But their ideology has changed significantly over time.

    I actually didn't mind them too much in the eighties. Read - they did not register on my radar as being a horrific alternative with zero compassion.
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    Quote Originally Posted by witherwings View Post
    4. Boosting Innovation and Science
    Our Innovation and Science agenda will help us transition from the mining and construction boom to a new economy. By providing support to innovators and start-ups, we can help more Australians bring their great ideas to market.
    We are also preparing our children for the jobs of the future by boosting participation in science, technology, engineering and maths (STEM).

    5. Guaranteed funding for health, education and roads
    Despite what you may have heard, we are actually increasing spending on both health and education. And we will NOT privatise Medicare.

    Our plan will deliver better schools and world class healthcare.
    The Turnbull Liberal Team is investing record amounts in our schools with total Commonwealth funds reaching $73.6 billion over the next four years. That’s an increase of 26%.
    oh FFS, the Abbot / Turnbull government have been hell bent on dismantling the CSIRO since they got in:

    http://www.smh.com.au/environment/cl...03-gml7jy.html

    http://www.smh.com.au/federal-politi...10-gmqd0i.html

    http://www.abc.net.au/news/2014-12-1...g-cuts/5963994

    They are also pushing a university degree further out of the reach of Australians:
    http://www.abc.net.au/news/2016-04-0...g-cuts/7299508

    How are they preparing our children for STEM jobs if a university degree is pushed further out of the reach of the average Australian??

    I have a DS currently mid way through an Engineering degree. He is looking at moving overseas when he finishes because the jobs just aren't here in the area he wants to specialise in.

    Regarding health:
    I work for a NFP that administers government programs in the health sector. We obtain our funding from a combination of private sources and government contracts. Our biggest programs have been running 10/15 years. Knowing the demographic of a large number of hubbers, I know they are personally benefiting from the programs we administer.

    Let me put it this way - the Liberal government have slashed funding for new work and the future of our biggest contract is now in doubt.

    On education:
    Where is the total Lib spend going? They certainly are NOT delivering Gonski promises.
    http://www.smh.com.au/business/feder...30-goitd2.html

    On tax cuts:
    Did you see this article I posted last night?
    https://www.theguardian.com/australi...s-report-finds
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    I agree ^^ I was a kid in the 80's and remember them well. They of course still believed in economic rationalism, open markets etc. But they were far less conservative on social issues. They were like today's labor party but they believed the way to provide for the poor, to provide quality public education and health was to also spend on business and concentrate on the markets, trade etc.

    Now they are a bunch of right wing wowsers who are part of the 'boys club'. I may have actually considered voting for a Malcolm Fraser.

    sighs free markets not open. Too little sleep last night :/
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    Quote Originally Posted by SSecret Squirrel View Post

    On tax cuts:
    Did you see this article I posted last night?
    https://www.theguardian.com/australi...s-report-finds
    The "benefit" to shareholders is completely irrelevant. That isn't the point of cutting company tax. It makes absolutely zero difference whether the imputation credits can be claimed in Australia or overseas, because the effect in either case is an increased incentive for investing in Australian companies. And actually, this is a point that I'm surprised is not even mentioned - the fact that investors are overseas, means they can't claim a refund for imputation credits from the ATO. If you're an investor in Dubai and pay zero personal tax, you aren't eligible for a tax refund, but if you're a pensioner in Australia invested in Telstra and you receive a $700 dividend with $300 franking credits, you get that $300 back if you're on the lowest marginal bracket. In other words, whatever tax is paid, it's all absolutely irrelevant. That enquiry by UTS, funded by getUp, what a waste of resources.

    The biggest benefit of the company tax cut is that it will make Australian companies more competitive with international companies, it will give business owners more money to reinvest their profits in capital expenditure or new ventures, or increase wages, or take on more workers etc .. So many opportunities which are not able to be quantified so they are not highlighted in biased media publications.

    ETA - the article you posted makes no mention of what companies would do with the extra $ other than paying out dividends which most companies don't actually do! Only the very large multinationals which will not be eligible to the tax cuts anyway!

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    Quote Originally Posted by JustJaq View Post
    See, I think a plebiscite *is* worse than nothing. As a queer person, with a female partner and a bub, I'd prefer to have no same sex marriage than a plebiscite about it. I'm really concerned about the bigotry it will unleash and permit - and will require to be publicly funded! A plebiscite will give equal funding to each side.

    I note a point made by a previous poster essentially saying that the advertising couldn't be too offensive because of anti-discrimination legislation, etc - but there are two things to say in response to that. Firstly, one of the big groups - I think it is the Australian Christian Lobby - is asking for anti-discrimination legislation to be suspended for the duration of the campaign so they don't have to worry about it (hopefully this idea won't get any traction). Secondly, there are a lot of things you can say without getting into any trouble at all with anti-discrimination legislation - queer people are well used to the sly insinuations.

    A plebiscite, in my view, will be socially damaging, and just too too damaging to young queer kids and the kids of queer families.

    Here's a good opinion piece about it.
    http://www.brisbanetimes.com.au/comm...29-gpuaoh.html

    A quick quote from it: " "The potential of the plebiscite, like the Brexit referendum before it, to empower and legitimise a bigoted minority is also very real.

    In Britain, a wave of racist attacks have followed months of scare campaigns about European workers and refugees coming to the country.

    While some opposing same-sex marriage will make their argument calmly and attempt sensitivity, we know what others will do – demonise homosexuality, and gay parents and families in particular, insinuating harm to children that has been repeatedly proven to be a myth."
    +1,000,000

    I dislike plebiscite/referendums so much.

    IMO we are electing people to run the country and take the tough decisions.
    So go do your job already instead of wasting money in polling people...

    Especially on issues like equal rights for all - can't call that a tough decision so go and rule for same sex marriage already.

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    Quote Originally Posted by ExcuseMyFrench View Post

    Especially on issues like equal rights for all - can't call that a tough decision so go and rule for same sex marriage already.
    Yeah I absolutely agree!

    I'm not saying I'm happy about a plebiscite. I'm just trying to tone down the fear surrounding it, but if i had to choose, of course it would be a straight amendment to the Act.

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    Election party time for the east coast!

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    Quote Originally Posted by twinklify View Post
    Election party time for the east coast!
    I am so effing excited! So excited I might just have to turn on Netflix


 

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