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    This is a good article in the Australian. I agree completely with their comments.

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    I think it is so very important to research your clinic and your specialist before starting ivf.
    We certainly did this and have been very happy with Hollywood Fertility and Dr Simon Turner. He has been around since ivf began, he's amazing and honest and tells it how it is. Had quite a few friends who have been with other clinics with no success and transfered over to Dr Turner who has taken a different approach and they have had success.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Blessedwith3boys View Post
    I can't believe you just said that.
    Your so far from the truth!
    I'm assuming you haven't been down the ivf path otherwise you wouldn't say such a stupid thing.
    Do you know how long some people save for to be able to pay for ivf?
    People go without and sacrifice alot often, to be able to have a chance to have what can't come naturally and what so many take for granted.
    To be fair she explained her reasoning for feeling this way several post ago.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Blessedwith3boys View Post
    I can't believe you just said that.
    Your so far from the truth!
    I'm assuming you haven't been down the ivf path otherwise you wouldn't say such a stupid thing.
    Do you know how long some people save for to be able to pay for ivf?
    People go without and sacrifice alot often, to be able to have a chance to have what can't come naturally and what so many take for granted.

    Agree with @Maxwellsmum's sentiments...I know @Billie2 from here as well and she really didn't mean it Luv plus she did apologise for jumping the gun so I say lets just leave it at that ok??

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    Quote Originally Posted by BlondeinBrisvegas View Post
    Agree with @Maxwellsmum's sentiments...I know @Billie2 from here as well and she really didn't mean it Luv plus she did apologise for jumping the gun so I say lets just leave it at that ok??
    Thanks so much to the ladies that know me. Im so sorry I offended so many people. I was so wrong and shouldn't have said it. Im a d*ck and put my hand up for it. I didn't edit or delete my post because I am not a coward & admitted it was a sh*tty thing to say.

    Going into resuscitation 3dp5dt was pretty rough so I guess I do know about how hard IVF can be. Maybe not financially, but physically, and mentally.

    Take care all xx

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    Having had the day to think about this, I have slightly changed my tune.

    While I think it was unbalanced, I do see their point of unscrupulous FS who don't explain odds to patients who need things laid out. And continuing to treat patients who truly have no chance, partially at the expense of taxpayers.

    I think a lot of us are very switched on, type A gals. We do out research. We ask the questions. We seek the best. But some people simply do not have the capacity to do so, and those are the people "they" are trying to protect.

    Additionally, I do think a FS has a duty of care. Just because I want something, doesn't mean I should get it. A good FS will let that patient go, likely to a competitor, if they deem it unnecessary.

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    Quote Originally Posted by J37 View Post
    There is an important philosophy in Medicine which says "First, do no harm".

    So, if the treatment causes "no harm" to the patient, and the patient is aware that the doctor believes said treatment is going to be futile, or of minimal benefit, and the patient gives full informed consent, then the answer is no, there are no professional obligations in place for doctors.

    I do, however, believe there are ethical obligations. I think it is unethical to charge a patient for a treatment a doctor believes is almost certainly going to be futile, even if the patient has given informed financial consent. The doctor should not have to work for free, either.

    In this instance, I personally think that the ethical requirements are for the treating doctor to refer the patient to another fertility clinic and Specialist.

    This is not mandated by law, but I do believe it should be an ethical obligation.

    If I was an IVF patient, it's what I would want from my doctor.

    If I was an IVF doctor, it's what I would do.
    Thanks for your input, @J37. Much appreciated.

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    Quote Originally Posted by lileitak View Post
    I think a lot of us are very switched on, type A gals. We do out research. We ask the questions. We seek the best. But some people simply do not have the capacity to do so, and those are the people "they" are trying to protect.
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    I think this is a really good point. Bubhubbers doing IVF seem to be a pretty well informed lot - and even newbies who come on asking questions know that there's lots they don't know, and are trying to better educate themselves.

    The Bubhub-population may not necessarily be representative of the general IVF-population though. People have come on here to learn, share and support. Lots of people probably don't do that - and are just guided by what their doctors tell them, and may not know anyone, in real life, or online, who has done IVF too, so have no one to talk to about it, no one to learn from, don't know the questions to ask, etc. Not everyone is a well-informed patient, able to make the best decisions all of the time.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Tiny Danza View Post
    The Bubhub-population may not necessarily be representative of the general IVF-population though. People have come on here to learn, share and support. Lots of people probably don't do that - and are just guided by what their doctors tell them, and may not know anyone, in real life, or online, who has done IVF too, so have no one to talk to about it, no one to learn from, don't know the questions to ask, etc. Not everyone is a well-informed patient, able to make the best decisions all of the time.
    I think you're probably right about this. I know last year when I was pregnant, I was speaking to an ex-colleague who is in her 40s and had been doing IVF to fall pregnant with her second child. I think they were up to something like 9 or 10 unsuccessful cycles. Her FS was the same FS I used to be with (but I switched clinics because I wasn't happy with the care I was receiving from the clinic in general but also specifically from him). I was telling her about how I switched because we weren't happy and I honestly don't think the possibility of switching had ever crossed her mind, even though she didn't love the FS. I doubt they ever consulted another doctor as she was just about done (and I haven't seen her again since then to ask - it's not really something I want to ask over Facebook either!) but I wonder if she would have her much longed for second baby had her FS told her he could no longer help, or if she'd done more research and realised a different clinic may be a better fit. It may not have changed the final outcome of course but I think it shows that not everyone is as well informed as those of us on BH.

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    As a non-IVFer, I thought it was an interesting watch. It wasn't knocking IVF, and it certainly wasn't intended to lay out the pros and cons. It was specifically looking at how IVF has become big business, and some of the problems that have arisen due to a lack of regulation.


 

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