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    Quote Originally Posted by Bongley View Post
    @AceOfBase But I think there comes a time when women/couples decide to move on or change tact. I don't think people should be encouraged to flog a dead horse either, especially if it puts them into debt.
    Yep, totally valid point here. If a person/couple has the will and money to keep going then they should, but everything must have its end point, as sad as that might be

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    Quote Originally Posted by BlondeinBrisvegas View Post
    My heart goes out to those who have to due to I think mainly financial reasons where there's just no more $ for them to continue.

    Or for others where the Donor path, for whatever reason, isn't a viable option for them, same for adoption. It's frucked for those people

    I/we would've been one of those people if we hadn't of been successful. We almost were. Our last Cycle was our second last attempt.
    Yep, another valid point too. You try your hardest to do what you can when you want something so badly, but as we know, we have to stop at some time. We were on the path to giving up too, I had gotten rid of 10 years worth of baby stuff only months before our Bub was conceived as I was trying to mentally prepare myself for giving up our dream. We couldn't keep going for too much longer with finances and age

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    Quote Originally Posted by Tiny Danza View Post

    Confronting in parts, but interesting.

    @J37, are you able to shed any light on the professional obligations of doctors with regard to treatment for patients where they consider treatment to be of little benefit, or futile? (Not talking about end of life treatment here, just general treatment.)
    There is an important philosophy in Medicine which says "First, do no harm".

    So, if the treatment causes "no harm" to the patient, and the patient is aware that the doctor believes said treatment is going to be futile, or of minimal benefit, and the patient gives full informed consent, then the answer is no, there are no professional obligations in place for doctors.

    I do, however, believe there are ethical obligations. I think it is unethical to charge a patient for a treatment a doctor believes is almost certainly going to be futile, even if the patient has given informed financial consent. The doctor should not have to work for free, either.

    In this instance, I personally think that the ethical requirements are for the treating doctor to refer the patient to another fertility clinic and Specialist.

    This is not mandated by law, but I do believe it should be an ethical obligation.

    If I was an IVF patient, it's what I would want from my doctor.

    If I was an IVF doctor, it's what I would do.



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    Hven;t had a chance to watch it yet, will do so later on 'catch up tv' but found this article in The Australian - kind of echoes what people have been saying,

    http://www.theaustralian.com.au/opin...924c2438f53973

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    Quote Originally Posted by Billie2 View Post
    Majority succeed from what I see on here, and friends/family. Would like to have seen the first go first success IVFers represented.. Not that I am one of them, but there are alot around. Band together stand together I say. If you are doing IVF you are not poor..
    I can't believe you just said that.
    Your so far from the truth!
    I'm assuming you haven't been down the ivf path otherwise you wouldn't say such a stupid thing.
    Do you know how long some people save for to be able to pay for ivf?
    People go without and sacrifice alot often, to be able to have a chance to have what can't come naturally and what so many take for granted.

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    This is a good article in the Australian. I agree completely with their comments.

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    I think it is so very important to research your clinic and your specialist before starting ivf.
    We certainly did this and have been very happy with Hollywood Fertility and Dr Simon Turner. He has been around since ivf began, he's amazing and honest and tells it how it is. Had quite a few friends who have been with other clinics with no success and transfered over to Dr Turner who has taken a different approach and they have had success.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Blessedwith3boys View Post
    I can't believe you just said that.
    Your so far from the truth!
    I'm assuming you haven't been down the ivf path otherwise you wouldn't say such a stupid thing.
    Do you know how long some people save for to be able to pay for ivf?
    People go without and sacrifice alot often, to be able to have a chance to have what can't come naturally and what so many take for granted.
    To be fair she explained her reasoning for feeling this way several post ago.

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    She has had a really rough time with her last cycle, she almost died and I don' t think she meant it to hurt other IVFERS. I was bothered too by this post when I read it last night and had a crappy sleep procrastinating over finances which made me crankier but knowing her from here I know she didn't mean it to come across like that.
    Quote Originally Posted by Blessedwith3boys View Post
    I can't believe you just said that.
    Your so far from the truth!
    I'm assuming you haven't been down the ivf path otherwise you wouldn't say such a stupid thing.
    Do you know how long some people save for to be able to pay for ivf?
    People go without and sacrifice alot often, to be able to have a chance to have what can't come naturally and what so many take for granted.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Blessedwith3boys View Post
    I can't believe you just said that.
    Your so far from the truth!
    I'm assuming you haven't been down the ivf path otherwise you wouldn't say such a stupid thing.
    Do you know how long some people save for to be able to pay for ivf?
    People go without and sacrifice alot often, to be able to have a chance to have what can't come naturally and what so many take for granted.

    Agree with @Maxwellsmum's sentiments...I know @Billie2 from here as well and she really didn't mean it Luv plus she did apologise for jumping the gun so I say lets just leave it at that ok??

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