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    Quote Originally Posted by NAT2561 View Post
    I wouldn't judge either. Just an interesting point that even if clinics put absolutely everything to us, hope is that thing that can't be measured or accounted for in logic but is so valuable to us that we might ignore what is presented anyhow. Science can't measure the value of hope!
    So true. What science can measure though is the effectiveness of particular treatments. And what maths can show is the number of treatment cycles to the number of live births. And that's sometimes information that patients aren't necessarily always given, and sometimes information that they might not want to hear, or might not affect their decision making anyway.

    A question that might be raised though is to what extent clinics should allow treatments to be provided where the evidence isn't there, or public funds should be spent where the chances are low. I'm not advocating for a limit, or a restriction - simply saying that those questions do arise.

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    I don't need to watch it to know the facts (but I will tomorrow)I am a walking fact. Multiple clinics, miscarriages and failed cycles. I know a lot more about ivf than I ever wanted to ever know. When I walked into clinic one almost 4 years ago I was completely naive to IVF thinking it was my golden ticket to my much wanted baby. Fast foward to now and I am all too well aware of everything ivf related. The costs, the clinics, the rebates, "the stats", "the false promises", all of the different procedures from scratches through to uterine biopsies, how sick the medications make us, the weight gain, the bloating, the mood swings, all the terminologies, donor sperm and donor eggs the list go on and on and on. I took viagra and I am a woman who the hell takes viagra at 35 years of age for 3 straight weeks vaginally. I often worry about the after effects of these medications all the oestrogen and the prednistone. I have been on prednistone since March now. I wish I could have walked in at cycle one and gotten pregnant then I would have missed pretty much all of the above.
    Quote Originally Posted by NAT2561 View Post
    I think the fact that people didn't watch or turned it off when it had negative things to say about ivf proves to a degree that when we are in "hope" we sometimes don't even want to know the facts.

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    I found it overly emotive and not that strong in information. I felt like it was done by someone who has no idea about IVF so it all seems big and scary. In reality, if I'm spending $10k to do a cycle and I've had failed cycles in the past, why wouldn't I try something different? Like steroids? Maybe it will help, maybe not. It's my body, it's not going to kill me.

    My family and I were talking that the one whose sister told her to stop clearly had young kids but mustn't have offered to donate eggs.

    My theory is everyone can have a baby, it's just a matter if you can afford to. Maybe you will need donor eggs, donor sperm and a surrogate, which don't come cheap.

    As for not being told the statistics it's EVERYWHERE! All through the clinics! And I've been to 3 of them. I feel like they don't want you if you're old as you're going to blow their precious statistics. It's not the number of cycles you get through a clinic, it's the number of live births which is the aim.

    And I believe everyone, regardless of the statistics, goes in thinking they will get pregnant first go. I've seen it time and time again. I thought that way and I actually did. Now I realise I was just damn lucky.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Maxwellsmum View Post
    I don't need to watch it to know the facts (but I will tomorrow)I am a walking fact. Multiple clinics, miscarriages and failed cycles. I know a lot more about ivf than I ever wanted to ever know. When I walked into clinic one almost 4 years ago I was completely naive to IVF thinking it was my golden ticket to my much wanted baby. Fast foward to now and I am all too well aware of everything ivf related. The costs, the clinics, the rebates, "the stats", "the false promises", all of the different procedures from scratches through to uterine biopsies, how sick the medications make us, the weight gain, the bloating, the mood swings, all the terminologies, donor sperm and donor eggs the list go on and on and on. I took viagra and I am a woman who the hell takes viagra at 35 years of age for 3 straight weeks vaginally. I often worry about the after effects of these medications all the oestrogen and the prednistone. I have been on prednistone since March now. I wish I could have walked in at cycle one and gotten pregnant then I would have missed pretty much all of the above.
    So true, too. IVF can involve some strange treatments, and there are not too many long-term follow up studies of IVF patients that I'm aware of (though I will have to check out @Flower78's link - thanks for that).

    There are risks to the treatment. We know there are some risks going in - but maybe we don't know all the long term risks, probably in part because IVF's only been around for 35 years or so, and medications and protocols change all the time.

    So patient's choices and doctor's recommendations are not without risks. It's not simply a matter of saying if people want the treatment and want to pay for it, go for it, no harm done, except to the bank balance. Numerous cycles of IVF are likely to have a health impact of some sort. They mentioned a woman who had 37 cycles - I wonder how she's doing now. At what point should doctors tell vulnerable patients (and who undergoing fertility treatment is not to some degree vulnerable) no more... So many issues to consider.

    Has anyone else been told by their FS - no more?

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    Quote Originally Posted by BlondeinBrisvegas View Post
    That's ok Luv

    Mum always told me never to assume...You'd think I'd have learnt by now, but nope!! I still fruck up occasionally too
    First to put my hand up if I get it wrong! I think the taxpayer burden thing sh$ts me. As an infertile couple, I know how much Id kill to be off on mat leave and burdening myself I guess. I went off the pill in January 2009, and been paying tax on tampons and pads every month since. Add that up 4corners!!

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    I was called by 3 people today to watch the show... we were first time success story for our bub who is due in 7 weeks... we are having a tough pregnancy due to other issues - nothing to do with IVF - but I said to my partner I will not be watching it as unless you face IVF and that is your only choice to conceive then i don't feel you should have an opinion on it... I have had many people say to me its a misrepresented industry while our clinic never misrepresented anything and said the first cycle is more trial and error to get levels right... We have a back up embryo too so hoping that will be our second bub but we might try one more round for another baby if we decide to go ahead with a second... right now I just want this baby born healthy and take it day by day. I agree with many comments we all pay taxes and this is the first time my partner and I had even set foot in a medicare office so I feel to claim all off $5000 plus another $1500 in OB fees is our right when we pay $50,000 tax between us!
    Good luck to those in the IVF journey now xx

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    Quote Originally Posted by Tiny Danza View Post
    Has anyone else been told by their FS - no more?
    Yes, I did one cycle with one clinic and when that was a BFN the FS told me to give up. Which is in total contrast to another clinic where I did 9 cycles (all BFN) and they were happy for me to continue.

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    Quote Originally Posted by AceOfBase View Post
    Yes, I did one cycle with one clinic and when that was a BFN the FS told me to give up. Which is in total contrast to another clinic where I did 9 cycles (all BFN) and they were happy for me to continue.
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    Thanks for sharing that. That's really interesting the different approaches different clinics and different specialists take.

    That must have been really hard to hear from your first FS. I know I wouldn't have been happy to stop after one try (unless the problem was something that meant I was obviously not going to ever get pregnant - eg look, I've found you have no uterus, or something that said I had zero chance). I'd have gone to another clinic too.

    I don't want to upset you, and feel free not to answer, but how do you feel now, 10 cycles down the track, about what your first FS said? Do you feel confident your FS now has a good plan going forward?

    Wishing you all the very best of luck for the future.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Tiny Danza View Post
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    Thanks for sharing that. That's really interesting the different approaches different clinics and different specialists take.

    That must have been really hard to hear from your first FS. I know I wouldn't have been happy to stop after one try (unless the problem was something that meant I was obviously not going to ever get pregnant - eg look, I've found you have no uterus, or something that said I had zero chance). I'd have gone to another clinic too.

    I don't want to upset you, and feel free not to answer, but how do you feel now, 10 cycles down the track, about what your first FS said? Do you feel confident your FS now has a good plan going forward?

    Wishing you all the very best of luck for the future.
    I feel utterly blessed! I just finished breastfeeding my beautiful little miracle boy. He was my lucky number 12. Don't get me wrong, it was absolutely devastating to be told to give up after just one cycle, I was obviously in the too hard basket for her. She told me to seek donor egg, adoption, fostering. I cried in her office and she offered me a tissue. I should clarify that I did go to see her after the 9 cycles didn't work so she just thought I've been through enough with no result so she didn't want to help me. I would absolutely love to tell her how wrong she was and tell her about my beautiful boy. But she can go stick it.

    Thank you for your lovely words of support. Whilst my IVF journey is over I feel so passionate about people with fertility issues, it's a special group that none of us want to belong to but are all there for each other.

    And, yes, my last FS was amazing (obviously). He diagnosed my thyroid & pre-diabetic issues, as well as adjusting my injection dosage (I was always on the highest amount which is bad for egg quality). I had an endometrium scratch and the ET was done via ultrasound guidance. I also lost 7 kilos! All of this never happened before and must have helped me with my BFP. I only had one egg retrieved and for that little egg to have been fertilised and stay with me was the most wonderful blessing. This is why I believe in hope so much and never giving up!

    I wish you all the best in your journey and if there is anything I can help with it would be my pleasure to do so xxxx

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    Awww, I'm so pleased for you, @AceOfBase! I wasn't sure whether you'd been successful or not, so worded things gently. So glad you got your bubba! They are little miracles, aren't they?

    I think what this story has highlighted too is that you need to really trust your FS and have a good relationship with them. I'm glad you found one who figured out the answers for you ☺

    Congrats again on your bub ☺

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