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    Interesting thread, but I don't have much of an opinion. (Which is quite odd for me). I'm always fascinated by the passion this topic inspires.

    I did practice CIO with both my children, not that I knew this terminology at the time. After they had been fed, burped, changed, swaddled firmly, kissed, tucked in so their dummy was "wedged" in, I shut the door and if they cried I wouldn't go back in. But, as a general rule, if they cried it wasn't for long.

    However, I'm the first to admit that they are both pretty good sleepers. Whether that's innate or as a result of what I did, I'll never know.

    My almost-3-year-old still sleeps from 7pm until 8.30am. She has a 2-hour nap in the afternoon. But I'm tipping she's not the norm.

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    I hate seeing threads like this.

    I did CIO with dd and looking back I wish I did it with DS as I'm certain I wouldn't have as severe PND as I do now as his sleep issues control my life!

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    Quote Originally Posted by BigRedV View Post
    10ish hours is no where near enough for a toddler. Two year olds need 12 hours of sleep. At least.
    Very right and yes they certainly do.
    Sleep is so very important, I don't understand people that don't see that. For a childs development and to function at their full potential toddlers still need a day sleep. People would understand more if they read the sleep sense guide. I wish I had it and followed it when I had ds1. Ds1 and ds2 had day sleeps until they were 5. Ds2 is 5 and will still have a sleep on the weekend if he is tired.

    For the first few months when baby is born you go with their flow but after 3 months they need to be able to self settle and be taught to sleep. With persistance and strength it will not be long before baby is sleeping well, baby will be happier and so will mum and things will be easier. It sure beats dealing with a miserable baby and a mother who is down and sleep deprived.

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    Well I have every book on sleeping and still have a 15mth old dd2 who thinks sleeping is for the weak, therefore I've been considering cc or cio. Since reading all your informative posts I'm even more confused 😮...... I just want to put my girls to bed and for them to sleep, through!

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    It seems that genes mainly determine whether a child is a good or bad sleeper though. Tizzy Hall/CIO advocates make out that a crap sleeper must be bc they weren't sleep trained. When there is more and more research showing that only plays a small role. And given my first 2 kids were sleeping though by 6 and 8 weeks and I have done nothing different with my 3rd, it's clearly not the method at fault...

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    Quote Originally Posted by delirium View Post
    It seems that genes mainly determine whether a child is a good or bad sleeper though. Tizzy Hall/CIO advocates make out that a crap sleeper must be bc they weren't sleep trained. When there is more and more research showing that only plays a small role. And given my first 2 kids were sleeping though by 6 and 8 weeks and I have done nothing different with my 3rd, it's clearly not the method at fault...
    Just my luck that DS would look exactly like his daddy, and get my stubbornness and sleep issues. 😂😂😂

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    Quote Originally Posted by delirium View Post
    It seems that genes mainly determine whether a child is a good or bad sleeper though. Tizzy Hall/CIO advocates make out that a crap sleeper must be bc they weren't sleep trained. When there is more and more research showing that only plays a small role. And given my first 2 kids were sleeping though by 6 and 8 weeks and I have done nothing different with my 3rd, it's clearly not the method at fault...
    Yes @delirium I think there is certainly an element of that with kids. They are intrinsically unique and born with certain traits. I console myself that my DDs sleeping and eating issues are just 'her' and nothing I've done 'wrong'. We're all different as adults I don't know why we expect all little babies/kids to fit the same very narrow model. But it's damn easy to fall into the trap of trying to 'fix' things when you're tired and it feels like every other baby sleeps except yours 😔 I've certainly done my fair share of 'fixing' but I ultimately think it's just tinkering with my DD - if she wants to sleep she'll sleep through a blower vac outside her window. If she doesn't want to sleep, well then she won't. She's a determined and willful little soul
    As to the article well I've considered CC I haven't done it as my DDs crying upsets me, but man I've come close in moments of exhaustion and frustration but this tiny study wouldn't influence me one way or another.

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    My 2 adhd kids and my bi polar have major sleep issue and always have. When they were little I had no clue there was a medical reason for their inability to sleep the recommended hours. I did know with any doubt that the sleep they did get was enough for their systems to work at 100%.
    I have talked to sleep specialist at hospital about their sleep level and it's not uncommon for people with their conditions.

    The thing is you can't diagnosed a 1 yr or 2 yr with some of the medical reason why some kids don't need as much sleep as the baby books recommend.
    Sticking with the Every Child needs X amount is setting mums up for pnd andvother anxiety issues.

    Have a child that sleeps through the night is not the be all and end all of parenting. You are not a failure if your children don't sleep 12 hours in every 24.

    This bull**** that with persistance and strength it will happen and things will be easier that @Blessedwith3boys is saying is complete and utter garbage. Yes it works for some kids but no way in freaking he'll does it work for All.

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    Quote Originally Posted by gingermillie View Post
    But it's damn easy to fall into the trap of trying to 'fix' things when you're tired and it feels like every other baby sleeps except yours ������
    Oh for sure! When I tell people how little sleep I get they can't understand how I can function. But it's just something I've accepted. He is a very needy child, he has been since the day he was born. He'll scream until he pukes if I even put him in the cot beside our bed lol And this was long before he could 'manipulate' me. This who he is.

    I've heard lots of stories of CC/CIO that simply doesn't work and the child just screams until they vomit. But instead of taking on board that the child inherently isn't suited to sleep training, it must be that they aren't following the routine strictly enough, or they are following it too closely.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Blessedwith3boys View Post
    Very right and yes they certainly do.
    Sleep is so very important, I don't understand people that don't see that. For a childs development and to function at their full potential toddlers still need a day sleep. People would understand more if they read the sleep sense guide. I wish I had it and followed it when I had ds1. Ds1 and ds2 had day sleeps until they were 5. Ds2 is 5 and will still have a sleep on the weekend if he is tired.

    For the first few months when baby is born you go with their flow but after 3 months they need to be able to self settle and be taught to sleep. With persistance and strength it will not be long before baby is sleeping well, baby will be happier and so will mum and things will be easier. It sure beats dealing with a miserable baby and a mother who is down and sleep deprived.
    Do any any of your children have ADHD? Or been assessed as gifted? The sleep guides don't always apply to all children, some children will just not sleep not matter what you try, their brain is hard wired differently.

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