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    Quote Originally Posted by Little Boys Blue View Post
    Some people use Microsort to increase the chance of higher numbers of their desired embryos and then PGD to double check before it's transferred
    This. Microsort itself is just seperating the sperm. It's not 100% accurate either.

    Obviously it would be regulated differently in the US to what we would have here.

    Although I still don't oppose highly regulated GS I think I've come to a conclusion on how I *think* I would be comfortable with it.

    Microsort ONLY to increase chances of a preferred gender but not PGD to determine the gender. Only being restricted to a specific number of Microsort cycles.

    IVF/ICSI the sorted sperm for infertile couples with multiple failed full cycles NOT transfers. I'm unsure where you draw that line. IUI only for fertile couples seeking a specific gender (after say, 3 of the opposite, not for a 'pigeon pair') also with a limited number of attempts.

    Of course, counselling would be a must for anyone doing it to determine any underlying issues, potential future disappointment (LGBTI for example) and how to deal with the children already born as there is a chance that they may feel like they were never good enough being the gender they are...... I could probably poor a lot more thought into it but my newborn and toddler have turned my brain to mush today.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Little Boys Blue View Post
    I'm not a very regular poster but just wanted to reply to this particular point with my experience.

    I have 3 sons and have considered high tech GS. As part of my research I joined a forum dedicated to GS for women all around the world. 99% of the women on that forum are only considering or actually doing high tech GS after already having at least one of the other sex. I would say that on average most of the women had about 3 of one sex. I know it's only anecdotal evidence at best, but I would be very surprised if we ended up with a big imbalance in the future.
    EXACTLY. 99.9% of the time gender selection is for family balancing purposes. So these families already have 2,3,4,5+ of the same gender. What on earth is wrong with letting these people have one of the opposite sex?? I just don't get it.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Sally1981 View Post
    None of the three examples you used are good examples. When I said it 'sounds like a real disorder', I was referring to Ginger Kat's post where she described what it was like living with GD. Before I read that I didn't think it was a real problem to be honest. That changed my view.

    From memory, @VicPark's comment came soon after that too.

    This was an ongoing discussion that you weren't a part of at the time. You've cherry picked posts to prove your point, and left out the post that your chosen posts were based on.

    As you admitted, no one actually said what you think they said, particularly the three people you targeted.
    Apparently I'm not the only one with someone targeted - jeez louise.

    I'm not "admitting" to anything - there was a post which implied this early on. I wasn't the only person who inferred this from the posts; a few people said they were offended as well. If I cared to continue this debate I'd go back and find it. But I don't.

    If there was an emoticon with a white flag I'd insert it here.

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    Quote Originally Posted by GingerKat View Post
    EXACTLY. 99.9% of the time gender selection is for family balancing purposes. So these families already have 2,3,4,5+ of the same gender. What on earth is wrong with letting these people have one of the opposite sex?? I just don't get it.
    Wish I could like this more than once!

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    Quote Originally Posted by DT75 View Post
    I find this really insulting.

    My mother and I are extremely close. My aunts and I are like sisters (them being aged 8-16 when I was born).

    I have only ever wanted a little boy (once I accepted the notion of having kids).

    I have a baby girl I adore and do not regret, but I still want a boy.
    Why would you be insulted by that? I was concerned about people who don't want daughters and only want sons. I want a boy too. But like you, I adore my daughter and would be happy with another daughter?

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    Quote Originally Posted by GingerKat View Post
    Is binning an embryo because of gender any different (or worse) than a woman who bins a healthy foetus through abortion? We are now getting into the territory of "when is life life?" and in my opinion they are cells in a petrie dish. Yes they have the potential to be a baby, but not until they are inside my body. I can understand why people don't agree with gender selection, but if it's because of discarding embryo's then essentially you must find normal ivf confronting too - because regardless of the reason they are still being binned.
    Plenty of poor quality embryos get discarded. Shock horror, and I know people will probably think I'm awful (which I totally understand if they struggle to get any embies), but I 'turfed' over a dozen embryos due to poor quality and a fresh cycle costing less than freezing and FET.

    **Eta-I would much rather an embryo be discarded due to gender than a 20w fetus. Assuming one hasn't used PGD or NIPT due to financial constraints. But, then, how are they to afford GS to prevent termination of a healthy baby........?**

    I think most people are against it when it is on the basis of gender alone because it seems so superficial.
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    I think you get what you're given and tough luck, appreciate it. I think PGD should be left alone unless for medical reasons. My DD's might need to use it oneday as a medical reason arises, if I'd have known I'd have needed to use it I would have also. I don't like it being rubbished sort of thing and feel quite strongly it should and only be used for medical reasons, it's there for that purpose and that purpose only in my opinion.

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    Quote Originally Posted by J37 View Post
    That is exactly what you would be doing. CHOOSING which healthy child will potentially have a life, based on their sex organs.

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    We IVFers already do that - pick the strongest, best grade embryo to put back...

    Allowing GS just adds one more criteria to base that choice on.
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    Quote Originally Posted by VicPark View Post
    Please tell me people don't really do that ...
    I know someone who was planning on having a termination if her third child wasn't the gender she wanted according to the harmony test (first two the same gender). Turned out she got the result she wanted and kept the baby... I honestly don't understand how anyone could think that way, yep I am pro-choice but to terminate a baby based solely on their gender who you would otherwise welcome into your family, be s sibling for your first two etc I can't get my head around.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Ashling View Post
    Why would you be insulted by that? I was concerned about people who don't want daughters and only want sons. I want a boy too. But like you, I adore my daughter and would be happy with another daughter?
    You don't think it's an insult to say that women who only want sons have not had healthy female relationships.

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