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    Quote Originally Posted by lileitak View Post
    What I find offensive is people sitting behind their computers deciding that any form of GD is a mental illness. As someone who has dealt with mental illness personally, and within my immediate family, it's insulting.

    Mental illness is not a joke. Until GD is in the DSM, people should stop calling it such. It's not a term to be thrown around lightly.

    PS - I'm not the only one who found it offensive so get off your high horse
    Do you think that someone who rejects their own baby because they are the 'wrong' gender is of sound mind?

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    Quote Originally Posted by lileitak View Post
    As someone who has no other choice than IVF, I'd be keen to read this research. Do you have links to the studies?
    Well here's one article discussing a possible increase in the risk of childhood cancers. Just over the years I've seen articles pop up from time to time about birth defects, cancers, cognitive development etc and I read them as I have an interest in these sorts of things. I can go and look for others if you want me to. When an increased risk is found it's only ever very small so I certainly don't think there's any issue with people who need IVF to have children using the technology available. The other thing to consider is that the oldest IVF babies are now only in their 30's so we can't conduct any thorough long term studies yet. I just wonder if it's justifiable (for a whole host of reasons, not just possible health implications, also cost and ethics etc) to turn to IVF procedures to pick the gender of your child and felt this isn't even an area that has been considered in the debate yet.

    Link: http://www.m.webmd.com/a-to-z-guides/news/20100719/ivf_babies_may_have_slightly_higher_cancer_risk

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    Quote Originally Posted by lileitak View Post
    What I find offensive is people sitting behind their computers deciding that any form of GD is a mental illness. As someone who has dealt with mental illness personally, and within my immediate family, it's insulting.

    Mental illness is not a joke. Until GD is in the DSM, people should stop calling it such. It's not a term to be thrown around lightly.

    PS - I'm not the only one who found it offensive so get off your high horse
    I hear what you're saying, but at the same time I would argue severe GD, like to the extent that you would consider terminating a pregnancy or not love your child because of gender, would be indicative of something else going on. There's a reason someone would feel this strongly on the matter, perhaps relating to anxiety, low self-esteem. I'd argue in these severe cases, GD would be a symptom of something else and I doubt this would be the only area of concern in the person's life. Like if they don't think they can make their life work with or without a child of a particular gender, there's obviously something else going on there.

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    Quote Originally Posted by GingerKat View Post
    There has been no such problem in all the other countries that do gender selection - including the US
    I'm talking long term. 50, 100 years of using this technology. Would you be happy to select the gender of your child if you were aware that it would result in furthering the imbalance in society & made your child likely to find a partner? Would you choose to have a girl if there were already 2 girls to every 1 male in the population?

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    Here is a really good discussion on some of the noted health concerns linked to the use of IVF. https://theconversation.com/rest-assured-ivf-babies-grow-into-healthy-adults-23432

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    Quote Originally Posted by cheeeeesecake View Post
    I'm talking long term. 50, 100 years of using this technology. Would you be happy to select the gender of your child if you were aware that it would result in furthering the imbalance in society & made your child likely to find a partner? Would you choose to have a girl if there were already 2 girls to every 1 male in the population?
    Hypothetically, I think this is something the government would need to keep an eye on. If there started to be a gender imbalance with newborns then they should stop allowing people to gender select.

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    Quote Originally Posted by cheeeeesecake View Post
    I'm talking long term. 50, 100 years of using this technology. Would you be happy to select the gender of your child if you were aware that it would result in furthering the imbalance in society & made your child likely to find a partner? Would you choose to have a girl if there were already 2 girls to every 1 male in the population?
    I'm not a very regular poster but just wanted to reply to this particular point with my experience.

    I have 3 sons and have considered high tech GS. As part of my research I joined a forum dedicated to GS for women all around the world. 99% of the women on that forum are only considering or actually doing high tech GS after already having at least one of the other sex. I would say that on average most of the women had about 3 of one sex. I know it's only anecdotal evidence at best, but I would be very surprised if we ended up with a big imbalance in the future.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Sally1981 View Post
    This is just my musings, but I think what makes me feel queasy about this is the deliberate nature of it. It's not like you create a bunch of embryos and implant a good one, lucky dip style. When you get into selecting them like this you are essentially choosing which of your embryos will be granted life and which ones won't.

    It's feels a little 'Sophie's Choice'. It's hand picking which healthy child should have a life and which one shouldn't. I can't even articulate what's wrong with that, it just doesn't feel right.
    That is exactly what you would be doing. CHOOSING which healthy child will potentially have a life, based on their sex organs.

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    No has said GD is a MI. They have said that in *some* cases where the GD is really extreme or travelling over the other side of the world to spend 20k to get one gender may signal MI.

    I got to know a Hubber who went through MicroSort. Her journey was on the forum. I really don't think she had a MI related to gender disappointment. Her husband earned a truckload, I'm pretty sure their first child was IVF so they have to go that route anyway. So why not have a holiday in the US and use MicroSort to get their girl when they easily could afford it and had to go the medical route anyway?

    On the flipside I've known a few women that had such severe GD that they treated their non-preferred gendered child like crap and really damaged them. I believe they had a MI. Yet they didn't use, nor could they have afforded gender screening. So someone that does use selection doesn't necessarily have a MI and those that don't, still may have.

    I think people are just trying to understand, and I'm one of them. I'm coming to realise I never will, and that's ok.

    ETA - Anyone that terminated solely on the fact they aren't having the sex they want? Ummm that really is icky to me.
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    Quote Originally Posted by J37 View Post
    That is exactly what you would be doing. CHOOSING which healthy child will potentially have a life, based on their sex organs.

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    I personally had no attachment to my embryos and don't feel you can compare embryos and living, healthy children. To me they were just a bunch of 6 to 8 cells that won't guarantee me a child, let alone a healthy one.

    What are your thoughts on microsort @J37?

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