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    Default Should gender selection for non medical reasons be legal in Australia

    Ok so because the other thread has been taken off course and to avoid further discussion about taking the thread off course...

    Here is a general debate it thread. Knock yourselves out.

    It's currently being reviewed as part of an overarching review of ART laws in Australia.

    So what do you think? It's legal in many countries overseas but not in Australia.

    Personally I struggle with it as apart from medical reasons I'm not comfortable about weaning out undesirable characteristics in embryos, be they gender or eye colour. I worry about where it ends.

    But I also understand gender disappointment so am honestly not 100% sure where I stand.

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    It's a tricky one. I can totally understand on a personal, individual level why people might be drawn to it. But on a societal/ethical/moral level I struggle with the implications.

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    as much as its great to have that control/choice, I do think gender selection for non medical reasons is taking it too far. as the op stated, where does it stop.

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    Even if there are guarantees about the use only for sex selection of an embryo should IVF technology be used for that purpose? Is it ok for parents to pay to choose the sex of their kids?

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    I am also mixed on this subject.
    For medical reasons then absolutly I agree with gender selection.
    But if its just purely choice because you want a cerain gender when I am uneasy with it.
    I have also had experience with fertility problems and gender dissapointment

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    I am all for gender selection when there is the possibility of a genetic disorder being passed on. I don't agree with it at face value for the purposes of simply wanting a specific gender. I see no difference in that and wanting a child with blue eyes. BUT I have never experienced gender disappointment (I have two boys). Even so, I just don't know that gender disappointment is a reason that would convince me that gender selection is ethically or morally right. I'm very pro science and don't really believe in the universe having a plan or whatever, but I do think that natural sex selection is just part of having a baby.

    On the flip side, I see the arguments for it. If I stick with my view that nature should have a say, where do I draw the line? Do I then think that people who can't have children without fertility treatment should remain childless? No. I'm very pro IVF. But I do see the challenges in my belief about gender selection and that there are many shares of grey. I'm curious to see the responses from those who have experienced gender disappointment (beyond the mere wistful thoughts of wondering what life would be like with a boy/girl).

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    I don't mind it for family balancing where one gender heavily outweighs the other (not just to get a pigeon pair) and for those who have had multiple IVF failures. Of course, it would need to be heavily regulated.

    There is a technology where they separate the male/female sperm before embryos are created/IUI. I'm much more comfortable with this over PGD of embryos to eliminate it being abused for eye colour etc.

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    I am so undecided about this. I personally would not do this. But like others mentioned - where do you stop?

    Do other countries have restrictions? Or is it just if you can pay for it you get it?

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    For the purposes of family balancing alone, I am not sure where I stand. I can't see myself ever wanting to utilize it as I believe on some level the children we have are the ones we are supposed have. I have not experienced gender disappointment however, and just because I wouldn't use it who am I to say others can't?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Sonja View Post
    Even if there are guarantees about the use only for sex selection of an embryo should IVF technology be used for that purpose? Is it ok for parents to pay to choose the sex of their kids?
    This is the other aspect of it that I haven't quite got my thoughts around yet so I'm not quite sure how to phrase it... But it's another scenario which seems to benefit the 'haves' who are privileged to afford what I view to be a luxury (I'm not calling IVF a luxury by any means, please don't get me wrong, but IVF solely for non-medical gender selection would come under that classification in my books).

    But then you could apply that argument to fast internet, gourmet food, travel etc. I'm so confused.


 

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