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    Default Spinoff - when does it become okay to judge?

    Quote Originally Posted by Sonja View Post
    Except no she wasn't. She was creating a link between cultural practices that in her opinion harm children be they sending kids away to live with grandparents or female circumcision, which is an illegal act.

    There is no comparison. She did it for shock value. Well she got it.
    Glass half empty there Sonja ! I'm disappointed you thought that's where I was going. I will try to be clearer next time.

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    Default Spinoff - when does it become okay to judge?

    Quote Originally Posted by Rose&Aurelia&Hannah View Post
    I think VP you are afraid of the unknown and unfortunately because you have blinkers on, you see all unknown as bad.
    No. I understand that different people have different practices etc etc etc I have lived in different cultures.
    I just disagree with YOUR assessment on some of those different practices.

    I think sending your kid off to a foreign land for many years is horrible and that depending on the specifics involved sending your kids to a babysitter 2 x nights per week can be selfish.

    Me disagreeing with you doesn't mean I've got blinkers on. However if you do want to talk blinkers have a read over your posts in sleep related threads. Blinky bill could be your nickname !

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    Quote Originally Posted by VicPark View Post
    Not in the sense of the severity actual deed - in the sense that I don't think culture should be used as an excuse.
    You are aware you told me that it Australian culture as to look down upon people that gloat and that's what contribute to your antipathy towards Rachel?

    I acknowledged that as I was unaware of it.

    Well now I regret to inform you that no longer you can use your culture as a reason for any of your decisions.

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    Quote Originally Posted by VicPark View Post
    No. I understand that different people have different practices etc etc etc
    I just disagree with YOUR assessment on those practices.

    I think sending your kid off to a foreign land for many years is horrible and that depending on the specifics involved sending your kids to a babysitter 2 x nights per week can be selfish.

    Me disagreeing with you doesn't mean I've got blinkers on. However if you do want to talk blinkers have a read over your posts in sleep related threads. Blinky bill could be your nickname !
    Once again.

    It is not horrible. It is normal for them. They probably view daycare centres as odd places for their children. It's not a foreign country for them. it's HOME and their FAMILY.

    Disagreeing is completely different to choosing ignorance and lack of empathy. You are brilliant at the latter.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Phony View Post
    Bit of a witch hunt for VP going on here tbh.
    Don't worry it's just part of the normal clique-trying-to-shut-down-diifferent-viewpoints cycle. It's just a tad funny to see it happen under the guise of a "you can't judge those you don't understand" umbrella... In a judgement thread. Oh the irony. BH at it's best - priceless.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Rose&Aurelia&Hannah View Post
    Once again.

    It is not horrible. It is normal for them. They probably view daycare centres as odd places for their children. It's not a foreign country for them. it's HOME and their FAMILY.

    Disagreeing is completely different to choosing ignorance and lack of empathy. You are brilliant at the latter.
    Is there any chance you can argue a topic instead of the person? Maybe then your ears will hear what the person is saying rather than what you need to hear them say so you can scratch whatever itch you have.

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    Seriously this clique thing is a strawman in this thread. It's BS to dismiss a common view as simply that or that condescending 'BH majority' term. All it does is devalue people's opinion and imply they are incapable of independent thought simply due to the fact that they agree with others, which is kind of insulting.

    Adult discussions are great and a really important way to learn from others. Deciding that the only reason a number of people could have an opposing view is because they are part of a clique is not a great way to exchange ideas, and it suggests that they have less right to express their ideas simply because their opinion or similar has been presented already. It hinders the exchange.

    Also, seriously the sleep thread references are becoming completely tedious. There is more than one personal attack going on here and it's been happening since the start of the thread.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Rose&Aurelia&Hannah View Post
    Once again. It is not horrible. It is normal for them.
    If those children are Australian born, how is that normal for them?

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    Quote Originally Posted by VicPark View Post
    Don't worry it's just part of the normal clique-trying-to-shut-down-diifferent-viewpoints cycle. It's just a tad funny to see it happen under the guise of a "you can't judge those you don't understand" umbrella... In a judgement thread. Oh the irony. BH at it's best - priceless.
    The only thing I was trying to shutdown was the hurtful comments and judgements. Because that is not ok.

    And you know what - you cannot judge something you do not understand.

    There are many things I have not experienced and I ask questions. I try and see the side I do not understand.

    Previously someone mentioned that their friend/acquaintance wants to send their children to their parents as per their culture. I did not understand why. I did some research. In 5 mins I found that the grandparents teach the children about traditions/culture etc. And I find that really different yet somewhat cool. And it makes sense.

    Quote Originally Posted by VicPark View Post
    Is there any chance you can argue a topic instead of the person? Maybe then your ears will hear what the person is saying rather than what you need to hear them say so you can scratch whatever itch you have.
    We heard you. Loud and clear. And what I heard was someone who has no empathy or tolerance for people's cultures, beliefs and family structures that are not your own. And does not care to even spend 2 mins asking why. Just makes a decision of that is horrible/horrifying.

    After getting the info you can still disagree - that is fine. But then don't spout hurtful words and names.

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    VP, off topic, I'm just so curious though... Is your hubby privy to your online persona? When he gets home do you tell him what you've been discussing online all day? What does he think? You're such a strong willed, stubborn character, it's actually quite astonishing to come back and see you're still here fighting and have been for days.
    I want to word that better but honestly don't know how. I just wonder if you ever get tired? I'm drained just reading this back and forth, seriously! It's absolutely mentally exhausting. Do you feel that? Or do you just switch off when you log off the hub? I'm asking genuinely here, too.


 

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