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    Quote Originally Posted by Sonja View Post
    Your constant use of that phrase doesn't even make sense anymore.
    Would you prefer I just call people hypocrites instead? Thought about doing that but decided against it as I thought it was too inflammatory and rude. ?

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    Quote Originally Posted by VicPark View Post
    I recognise your point and think it's a valid one. I'm just not sure it applies to the Finch case. If me continuing to not agree with your end assessment is forcing my point, then what's it called when you continue to not agree with my end assessment?

    Disagreement doesn't = forcing the point. It just means you don't agree. It's forcing the point if you say you're right end of story and try to use personal attacks to shut down the alternative opinion (not saying that's what you've done).
    VicPark you know I'm a lawyer. thanks for the explanation but I know how to argue.

    Why aren't you sure it applies to her case? What had been said that makes you doubt it?

    You have shown nothing to establish why their arrangement is harmful yet continue to push the point. That is not how you argue.

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    So in summary

    Mum works early morning till afternoon then goes on kid duty in the evening etc
    Dad looks after kid till 3pm then works late.
    Gran takes kid from Fri afternoon 5pm ish till sun morning 9am ish. So 40hrs total with approx 20-22hrs night sleeping time in that. So 18-20 hrs ish wake time.
    Family time on Sunday.

    Kid doesn't attend formal CC and is looked after by nan 18-20 ish waking hours a week.

    Both mum and dad work opp hours in the entertainment industry. I'm theorizing some weekend appearances as well. They need alone/couple time in there too.

    I honestly cannot see this set up being so contentious.

    In India and other parts of the world - some parents work very long days 6-7 days a week. Some families have one or both parents working overseas. So the kids are often farmed to grandparents to live with ALL year and parents only see their kids on annual leave.

    These parents are still good parents. Their norm is just not your norm or my norm.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Rose&Aurelia&Hannah View Post

    In India and other parts of the world - some parents work very long days 6-7 days a week. Some families have one or both parents working overseas. So the kids are often farmed to grandparents to live with ALL year and parents only see their kids on annual leave.

    These parents are still good parents. Their norm is just not your norm or my norm.
    In China children as young as 8 have been sent away full time to train in their future career/sporting areas, like gymnastics. They don't live with their parents at all.

    Not for me, but yes it happens and in far bigger ways than the Finches family

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    Quote Originally Posted by Rose&Aurelia&Hannah View Post
    You are right. There are no circumstances in which I'd ever sleep train my children. The risks for me outweigh the benefits.

    But I'm not going to lose sleep if you do or if anyone else does. Your kid. Your problem

    ETA- tangent over?
    what are the risks of sleep training?

    I don't even know what sleep training is tbh.

    just glad my LO is good at it on his own (for now lol)

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    Quote Originally Posted by turquoisecoast View Post
    what are the risks of sleep training?

    I don't even know what sleep training is tbh.

    just glad my LO is good at it on his own (for now lol)
    They are risks for her not risks per se.

    Sleep training is using a method to assist your baby to sleep longer and not to allow the baby to set the pace in terms of when it stretches out sleep, or sleeps through. So using techniques or methods to encourage more sleep which trains the baby to sleep longer. The controversy is that the baby doesn't get to that point in its own time.

    Hopefully that hasn't offended anyone. Just my definition of sleep training.

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    Quote Originally Posted by turquoisecoast View Post
    what are the risks of sleep training?

    I don't even know what sleep training is tbh.

    just glad my LO is good at it on his own (for now lol)
    Oh you've just opened a can of worms there

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    Quote Originally Posted by Clementine Grace View Post
    Oh you've just opened a can of worms there
    Hopefully my quick explanation can close the can again.

    Would be nice to have one thread not descend into a sleep discussion.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Clementine Grace View Post
    Oh you've just opened a can of worms there
    I know right? Just add in a should I circumcise my son and coupled with the Finch's BH will implode!!

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    Quote Originally Posted by Sonja View Post
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    Why aren't you sure it applies to her case? What had been said that makes you doubt it?

    You have shown nothing to establish why their arrangement is harmful yet continue to push the point. That is not how you argue.
    .... because A-Squared sharing her thoughts worked so well for her, the BH majority just welcomed a different opinion with open arms

    I would rather push a point than push others to the point they feel they can't say their point. Get my point?


 

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