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    Quote Originally Posted by delirium View Post
    The sugar tax is nothing but a thinly veiled revenue raiser like the cigarette taxes. I've been a non smoker for a while now but in all the years I did, none of the govts ever provided real support to give up. And the cigarette tax has never deterred smokers, poor people just take those extra dollars from the shopping or bill money and keep smoking. This is simply another tax to bring in more dollars and naive people will back pat them for caring about people's health. People are still going to buy the same amounts of sugar it will just mean a few extra bucks per shop that goes to the govt.

    As to their plans for dental. Awful awful decision. Our 'local' public dental clinic is 150km round trip, now services around 100,000 people and has almost a 2 year waiting list. What will happen is rather than just a filling, by the time the kids actually can get in, they will need an extraction. They know the public queues, like someone else said, it's about pushing people into paying themselves at private dentists.
    That is awful

    A good friend of mine got a tooth infection and couldn't afford to go to the dentist and was waiting until she could save up enough to pay for it. She didn't make it in time, the infection spread to her heart and she died. She was 29. This should not happen in a first world country. It's totally unacceptable.

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    Completely agree about Gonksi. What frustrates me is that the very families that the current govt considers 'leaners' are the ones that will most benefit. Spend the money to ensure these 'leaners' are better educated and their kids will have better jobs and pay more tax. Thus this generational cycle of poverty and welfare can be broken. And research from other countries all over the world proves this method works.

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    Quote Originally Posted by delirium View Post
    Completely agree about Gonksi. What frustrates me is that the very families that the current govt considers 'leaners' are the ones that will most benefit. Spend the money to ensure these 'leaners' are better educated and their kids will have better jobs and pay more tax. Thus this generational cycle of poverty and welfare can be broken. And research from other countries all over the world proves this method works.
    Sorry to crash but just wondering - is the 'leaners' phrase a direct quote from Turnbull or someone? If so, I am horrified!

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    Sorry to crash but just wondering - is the 'leaners' phrase a direct quote from Turnbull or someone? If so, I am horrified!
    I think it was joe hockey who took it from some republican in America. The term was lifters and leaners. I think hockey used it in his first or second budget.
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    Quote Originally Posted by atomicmama View Post
    I'm not disputing that taxes can decrease the number of smokers, sugar consumption etc., but is it going to help the people the people that probably need it most?
    The government has spent a lot of $ over the years on public health awareness campaigns against smoking, especially on TV advertising, billboards etc.

    The legislation they introduced over the years banning tobacco product advertising, compulsory labelling showing graphic images of the effects of smoking, compulsory shelving of tobacco products behind plain cabinets so that the product brands can't be seen by customers etc - not to mention banning smoking from bars, clubs, restaurants, public spaces, entry ways to buildings etc.

    None of these changes would have been accepted by the public without a strong education campaign about the dangers of smoking, and tax revenue from tobacco sales would have helped to fund these campaigns. It's only a matter of time before the same sort of attitudes toward things like sugar drinks change, and a change in attitude starts with publicly funded campaigns.

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    Quote Originally Posted by babyno1onboard View Post
    That is awful

    A good friend of mine got a tooth infection and couldn't afford to go to the dentist and was waiting until she could save up enough to pay for it. She didn't make it in time, the infection spread to her heart and she died. She was 29. This should not happen in a first world country. It's totally unacceptable.
    Geez that is so very sad

    I've never been to a public dentist but a family member who is a carer for their disabled partner told me if you need anything more than a small filling they just rip the tooth out. I understand the tax payer shouldn't have to fund veneers and 20k in crowns. But they said their partner has had pretty much all their teeth pulled out rather than getting inlays/onlays etc.

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    Quote Originally Posted by harvs View Post
    Sorry to crash but just wondering - is the 'leaners' phrase a direct quote from Turnbull or someone? If so, I am horrified!
    That was the Abbott govt. Hockey said it.

    http://www.theage.com.au/comment/hoc...17-gjpeh6.html

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    Quote Originally Posted by witherwings View Post
    The government has spent a lot of $ over the years on public health awareness campaigns against smoking, especially on TV advertising, billboards etc.

    The legislation they introduced over the years banning tobacco product advertising, compulsory labelling showing graphic images of the effects of smoking, compulsory shelving of tobacco products behind plain cabinets so that the product brands can't be seen by customers etc - not to mention banning smoking from bars, clubs, restaurants, public spaces, entry ways to buildings etc.

    None of these changes would have been accepted by the public without a strong education campaign about the dangers of smoking, and tax revenue from tobacco sales would have helped to fund these campaigns. It's only a matter of time before the same sort of attitudes toward things like sugar drinks change, and a change in attitude starts with publicly funded campaigns.
    As someone that smoked 20 years.... none of that even made a dent in me giving up. When we went to restaurants I'd just rush DH so I could have one outside. I bought a cigarette case so I didn't have to look at the images. The plain casing did nothing either. I gave up bc I fell pg and I was ready.

    I've said it before - I think non smokers lack a lot of insight into the addiction of smoking. What works and doesn't work. Why people smoke to begin with. Why the finally give up.

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    Quote Originally Posted by BigRedV View Post
    I think it was joe hockey who took it from some republican in America. The term was lifters and leaners. I think hockey used it in his first or second budget.
    Quote Originally Posted by delirium View Post
    That was the Abbott govt. Hockey said it.

    http://www.theage.com.au/comment/hoc...17-gjpeh6.html
    This makes me so stabby. I can't remember another government that has seemed to display such little regard for the humanity of its people...

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    I can't remember which government it was that did it, but I loathe the resettling of legitimate refugees in PNG. Kind of off topic but I'm in a mood to rant.


 

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