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    Quote Originally Posted by Lancashire Lass View Post
    Hello. I am really worried after reading about Ashermans, I was told only of thr 1 in 1000 chance of uterine perforation and "rare" chance of damage but the stats in the thread here are really high

    I had a D and C 10 days ago. First pregnancy at age 28. I was meant to be at 13.5 weeks but scanning at 12 weeks and had beed bleeding for 12 days before the procedure after passing a large gush of liquid and large warm mass (they werent sure what it was)

    I am still having a small amount of brown bleeding from the D and C. I didn't have any period type cramps at all apart from the day of surgery and some soreness. I was constipated for a few days and then went super bloated and was having numerous small bowel movements each day that hurt my front lower abdomen a little to push out. I've also had some mild and only occasional but stabbing shooting pains in my lower abdomen at the sides near where I think my ovariea might be but mostly on the left side. Then to walk sometimes it feels like its pulling there a bit. Not severe enough for panadol but getting me really worried I was damaged or over scraped are these feelings normal? Did anyone else have them and then recovered normally?

    Sorry to hear of your loss. I actually ended up needing a d&c as I kept having bleeding on and off after my miscarriage. There was still a bit of tissue leftover so they removed that.
    It's been a month since my surgery. I don't remember any cramping afterwards. Though the feeling you are describing on the sides of your abdomen describes what I feel like when I guess I am ovulating.
    If I was in your position I would go back to my obstetrician and express my concerns. I have my fingers crossed it is all normal for you!

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    Quote Originally Posted by Em9 View Post
    Sorry to hear of your loss. I actually ended up needing a d&c as I kept having bleeding on and off after my miscarriage. There was still a bit of tissue leftover so they removed that.
    It's been a month since my surgery. I don't remember any cramping afterwards. Though the feeling you are describing on the sides of your abdomen describes what I feel like when I guess I am ovulating.
    If I was in your position I would go back to my obstetrician and express my concerns. I have my fingers crossed it is all normal for you!
    Thank you. I am sorry to hear of your loss and the long drawn-out experience after bleeding.

    I made an emergency same-day appointment with my GP this morning to update her on everything that happened and how I've been feeling. She said the sharp pains aren't usual but she has had a few people come to her with them before after d and c and they have always resolved themselves and haven't been concerning . She didn't know what they were other than my body trying to work its way back to normal and when asked said its possibly everything moving back into place but she thought 12 weeks was a bit early for that as my uterus wouldn't have grown that much. So she didn't really know the cause! She wasn't worried about damage and didn't think I was infected but took a swab just in case and I am to take ibuprofen for inflammation. I am still worried about damage as these pains aren't explainable or the 'usual' crampy feelings expected after d and c and I'm sure no follow up in terms of fertility would have been done with those few people who have had them either... so my worrying mind is still worried and will be until if and when my regular periods return. I have always been a worrier unfortunately; I am writing down all my pains and bowel movements. If anyone else has had these pains then gone on to have a viable pregnancy afterwards I would love to hear from you to help put my mind at rest!
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    Lancashire Lass, I hope your situation is resolved soon and you do not in fact have uterine scarring. There is a lot of info on the AS thread on this page regarding symptoms to watch for and investigations to consider if you are concerned.

    Quote Originally Posted by Lancashire Lass View Post
    Hello. I am really worried after reading about Ashermans, I was told only of thr 1 in 1000 chance of uterine perforation and "rare" chance of damage but the stats in the thread here are really high
    I do feel compelled to comment on a number of comments made on this thread as another person who acquired Asherman's from a D&C. I'm afraid the stats quoted in the thread are indeed accurate. 6 years after having 2 D&C's I am still experiencing the repercussions and even after having a number of hysteroscopies to correct my scarring it came back just as severe after my long awaited & high risk pregnancy. For a variety of reasons (not least was uterine scarring and recurrent thin lining from damage to my uterus) I haven't been successful in having another baby.

    I am so pleased for those who had blind D&C's and were blessed not to suffer any Ill effects. Greater awareness about the potential risks of blind D&C's is hopefully out there now for women to consider when making this awful choice when faced with a miscarriage/RPOC. But the advise from Dr's to 'just scrape it out and start afresh' makes my blood boil as any perceived 'benefits' are weighted against the risk that you could be the 1 in 5 or 6 who will acquire uterine scarring from a single D&C procedure and if your procedure is for a missed miscarriage your risk goes up to 30%.

    The Asherman's boards and Facebook groups are full of women who are either battling fertility issues and subsequent high risk pregnancies or in some cases are no longer able to carry pregnancies. Prevention is definitely preferable to a long, difficult and expensive attempt to 'cure' and if you find yourself in the situation of needing to have one your risk can be minimised by taking precautions such as having a guided D&C & considering whether you are appropriate for medical management over surgical.

    Do your own research and understand the risks before you accept advice from medicos (GP's, OB/GYN & FS) with little working knowledge of Asherman's and its effects.

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    Sorry you are still having pains, Lancashire Lass. I've been following your story and it must be hard for this all to still be continuing.

    I thought (may have my memory jumbled) that your DnC wasn't 'blind'? If not, that reduces the chance of ashermans.

    I had bleeding for 10w after mine and a friend for 12w. No retained product nor scarring and we both thankfully went on to have successful pregnancies afterwards.

    The pains could be any number of things. I have PCO and every pregnancy (full term and miscarriages) has changed it and the way my ovaries behave (regular/irregular cycles). I'm guessing its the crazy preg hormones that do it. So it could be your ovaries reacting to hormones or, if you still had a corpus luteum cyst that can cause pains.

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    Thanks for your reply @Stretched 10 weeks of bleeding sounds like an awful long time for you.

    My procedure was 'blind' as far as I'm aware. I have had ovarian cysts and related pain during ovulation but that was mostly last year and seemed to have gotten much better for my 3 periods this year where I hardly felt anything, from memory. If it is a cyst, could that even happen so early on before I'm meant to be ovulating? I was only a few days post op when this pain began and my pregnancy hormone levels are supposed to take quite a while to go completely down before my body ovulates again.

    Although its mostly on my left side l, some pain did start out on the right side which is quite confusing and makes me worry its not ovulation/cyst related.
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    I was a little confused as to why I wasn't told about the risk of Ashermans before my surgery. I have only ever heard about it on these forums. Could it be because I has a H,D&C rather than a D&C that they didn't say anything?

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    @Em9 I think you will find very few women are told about the risks of scarring prior to having a D&C as there is a common misconception that Asherman's is a rare occurrence (which has been repeated on this thread as told to women by medicos). Even having it performed by hysteroscopy & ultrasound guidance does not negate the risk, it just makes it less likely if the surgeon is able to see what they are scraping (and even less likely if they are sensitive to the risks).

    I was certainly never informed prior to either of my procedures. As it occurs in grades from 1-4 (mild to severe), the severity of the grade will impact on pregnancy outcomes. There are likely a lot of women who remain undiagnosed with some degree of uterine scarring who go on to conceive but may have placental complications (previa, accreta etc) and then there are those who have recurrent miscarriages because the uterine environment is not conducive to support a pregnancy.

    Anyway if you want to know more: www.ashermans.org

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    One last thought. I'm not here to scare monger but if my information and story causes women to ask questions and not just accept the 'routine blind D&C' recommended to them and can save even one person from going through the horror of what my husband and I endured for so many years, then it is worth it.

    I'm not saying don't ever have one, just be reliably informed about the risks and alternatives available and don't be afraid to insist it is done guided. I'm not here on BH very often as my journey is over but I'm always happy to support those who are concerned they may have acquired Asherman's to get the right assessment, treatment and support. It was the advice and support of another hubber with AS that finally guided me to an Asherman's specialist who was able to give me a fighting chance at having a baby.

    Good luck ladies

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    Quote Originally Posted by Em9 View Post
    I was a little confused as to why I wasn't told about the risk of Ashermans before my surgery. I have only ever heard about it on these forums. Could it be because I has a H,D&C rather than a D&C that they didn't say anything?
    I'm not sure what the H stands for, but I had a regular D&C and wasn't told anything about it at all. From my googling, the surgeons who perform it and GPs etc don't know much about it either and/or the statistical risks that have been presented in this thread.

    Over worrying about possibilities so early on though isn't good for us, I think we need to wait a while to see how our bodies reset before we start to look into this and from what I've read it can take a few cycles to get regular again, and everyone is so different too as our bodies all react differently to hormones etc.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Lancashire Lass View Post
    I'm not sure what the H stands for, but I had a regular D&C and wasn't told anything about it at all. From my googling, the surgeons who perform it and GPs etc don't know much about it either and/or the statistical risks that have been presented in this thread.

    Over worrying about possibilities so early on though isn't good for us, I think we need to wait a while to see how our bodies reset before we start to look into this and from what I've read it can take a few cycles to get regular again, and everyone is so different too as our bodies all react differently to hormones etc.
    It took me 8/9 weeks to get AF again. I worried myself stupid googling Ashermans etc but an appointment with my trusted obstetrician helped to put my mind at ease a lot. Honestly, if you're really worried, call your obstetrician and ask them rather than relying on google searches and forum posts. I am really sorry for anyone that has had a negative experience, there are risks with any sort of surgery, and there are also risks if you decided not to have the D&C.

    But please speak to an expert (ie an experienced, trusted ObGyn) they have a wealth of knowledge and experience and will give you the facts.


 

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