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    Quote Originally Posted by delirium View Post
    What many people don't realise is that lots of low SES schools actually have small class sizes from better funding. Our kinder classes are 15-18 kids per class. In addition, they are excellent schools to send kids who perform well, to bc they have the extra funds for gifted classes like ours does. Demountables aren't attractive, but ours all have smart boards and are normal classrooms but just aren't original buildings. Beneath the NAPLAN scores, demountable city lol and low SES status are often excellent schools who cater to much more diverse kids than private do.

    And I've found many private schools actually have larger class sizes than low SES schools....

    I'm criticising or questioning those that send their kids private, each to their own blah blah but please look beneath the labels before choosing your child's school. You could be very surprised....

    ETA: *not* criticising. Really must proof read Delirium! >_<
    I agree wholeheartedly. I was just talking about the schools I know...because I went there myself and have family utilising the schools. The classes in the public schools there are full, but still smaller class sizes than the local catholic schools.
    I'm not disputing that schools with a lot of low ses families are not good schools...but I know that at the schools I mentioned there is a lot of behaviour disturbances...to the point that they have separate classrooms to avoid the distractions in class...but there are obviously problems in the playground. I dealt with it myself growing up, and I don't want my kids too. Quite frankly, it wasn't a whole lot of fun and I genuinely hated school.

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    I wasn't targeting any one poster or comment. Just more of a general comment as I've noticed lots of discussion of late around low SES schools. Of course there are horrible public schools out there, no denying that. Just putting it out there to look beneath the surface

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    Quote Originally Posted by delirium View Post
    I wasn't targeting any one poster or comment. Just more of a general comment as I've noticed lots of discussion of late around low SES schools. Of course there are horrible public schools out there, no denying that. Just putting it out there to look beneath the surface
    😊 I agree with you wholeheartedly.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Full House View Post
    No, I wasn't. But so what? Is that the only time it's okay in bh land to choose to live in the more expensive area? When the alternative is a remote Aboriginal community?
    I've explained where I was coming from a few times. If our choice to live where we do has ruffled some feathers, well, I can't help that. I'm not talking about Australia in general...I'm talking about the area I live i vs the alternative, I'm talking about the lifestyle we have here, vs what it would be if we moved (without even factoring in schools/ ses etc.).
    I'm done explaining myself to a bunch of strangers on the internet, though.
    You know even though the tone of your post had an air of condescension to it, I didn't really have any issue with what you said or the choices you made. I've got no problem with anyone's lifestyle or choices. But... You did make quite negative implications about schools within low SES communities, being filled with children from Low SES families. By Stating this, you imply that children from low SES families are not good enough to sit beside your children in the same classroom. Maybe you don't see this as being offensive, but I'm sorry to say, it is.

    I know we are all strangers here but you should still keep in mind that there are people here who are actually low income earners and live in low SES communities.

    ETA - I looked back over the original post and your words were referring to a suburb being "saturated with low SES families". Not specifically talking about schools being low SES but the implication then is that you don't want to socialise with low SES families. Well, each to their own.
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    Quote Originally Posted by witherwings View Post
    You know even though the tone of your post had an air of condescension to it, I didn't really have any issue with what you said or the choices you made. I've got no problem with anyone's lifestyle or choices. But... You did make quite negative implications about schools within low SES communities, being filled with children from Low SES families. By Stating this, you imply that children from low SES families are not good enough to sit beside your children in the same classroom. Maybe you don't see this as being offensive, but I'm sorry to say, it is.

    I know we are all strangers here but you should still keep in mind that there are people here who are actually low income earners and live in low SES communities.

    ETA - I looked back over the original post and your words were referring to a suburb being "saturated with low SES families". Not specifically talking about schools being low SES but the implication then is that you don't want to socialise with low SES families. Well, each to their own.
    I didn't mean it the way it may have came across, which I went on to explain. I'm sorry you can't look past the first post where I've provided further clarification. I highly doubt you'd want to move back to an area where your house was robbed three times as a kid, you had neighbours who would throw their used condoms in to neighbouring yards (we weren't direct neighbours thankfully), or where a girl you went to school with stabbed a random person in broad daylight because she was so badly drug affected. Once again...I'm not talking about low ses families who are hard working, decent people. My best friend in primary school moved away because her parents committed insurance fraud and were being investigated...they also openly bragged about how much they enjoyed living on the dole. I bet you wouldn't be rushing to move back there. Of course the whole area isn't like that...there are beautiful, decent families who live there. But sadly, there are enough who aren't that it taints the place.
    Have a good day ☺
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    Quote Originally Posted by delirium View Post
    I wasn't targeting any one poster or comment. Just more of a general comment as I've noticed lots of discussion of late around low SES schools. Of course there are horrible public schools out there, no denying that. Just putting it out there to look beneath the surface
    School to school within the one suburb can be chalk and cheese as well. When doing CRT on return to Vic I worked at 2 schools in Pakenham (not picking on Pakenham but using it as it exemplifies very-outer suburbs near big cities). One was a 1000+ mega-school the other a 400ish kid school. The big school was beautiful, polite kids working independently with self motivation, staff were warm and welcoming. The other... I rang the agency and asked them to never send me again!

    It is so hard to make general statements about any area - inner, outer, city, country.

    I think that is what gets a lot of people on here up in arms. Just because one person's experience of an area is a certain way, does not mean it is that way for everyone. Just because one outer-suburb-low-ses area sucked when you lived there doesn't mean another outer-suburb-low-ses 2km down the road would not have given you a different experience (not you Del, this bit isn't in reply to you).

    I say this because I used to be an inner-city-or-bust person. Was I a suburb snob? Yes! 1000000x yes and proud of it. Life takes you on twists and turns though and mine has changed my perspective 180degrees. If you knew me in my 20s you would fall over in shock that I am actually *happy* in a little country town.

    Horses for courses, but people should just be sensitive when making sweeping statements.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Full House View Post
    The public school I went to has had 5 full kindergarten classrooms the last few years...5 x 20 = 200 kids in kindergarten. Not 250, but not far off. .
    5x20 = 100 so a long way off the 250 you quoted. 5 classes of 15-17 is quite common at schools that mine and friends kids attend in different areas of Sydney
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    Quote Originally Posted by delirium View Post
    I wasn't targeting any one poster or comment. Just more of a general comment as I've noticed lots of discussion of late around low SES schools. Of course there are horrible public schools out there, no denying that. Just putting it out there to look beneath the surface
    I find this whole thing really interesting. If my kids attended a low ses school in a nearby area, they would be funded over 20k each from the government towards their education. At their current low-fee private school, they receive 8k govt funding each towards their education. So I see how the lower ses school would provide my child with more government funding towards their educaion - BUT at the low ses 20k govt funded school, there is an incredibly low level of literacy. I have a friend who teaches at the low ses school, & she is called names like a fu##ing c##t from the 5-6 year old students regularly. Bullying and violence is rife. My teacher friend said that afer an hour doing a relief day in the school, relief teachers would ask another teacher to watch their class while they 'get something from the car' & then would drive off &never return :0 It is ROUGH. Kill or be killed. Teachers are burnt out and rundown. I just dont want my daughter in that environment. So even though my daughter would receive more govt funding at a low ses school,it is not the right school for her. Im sure other low ses schools are absolutely wonderful &can provide a high quality education. I think its a case by case situation.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Mmumm View Post
    5x20 = 100 so a long way off the 250 you quoted. 5 classes of 15-17 is quite common at schools that mine and friends kids attend in different areas of Sydney
    Yes, you're right 😂😂😂 Gawd I need sleep!

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    Im a single, not currently working mum.

    total amount in is 36400,
    its not easy, I worry that rent may rise more or something may break,
    Im hoping to get work this year


 

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