+ Reply to Thread
Page 8 of 12 FirstFirst ... 678910 ... LastLast
Results 71 to 80 of 115
  1. #71
    Join Date
    Aug 2010
    Posts
    6,880
    Thanks
    5,204
    Thanked
    3,904
    Reviews
    0
    Achievements:Topaz Star - 500 postsAmber Star - 2,000 postsAmethyst Star - 5,000 posts
    I work in the health industry very often in the private sector. I can confidently say that there are many older patients getting arduous treatments for diseases they will not survive.

    So their remaining months are spent tubed up in a hospital vs palliative care at home.

    Often this is done at the adult kids request - "save my mom/dad". I've seen doctors fear mongering some people into treatment they cannot afford or survive.

    Then I've seen other doctors try and talk people's family out of treatment as its extremely debilitating.

  2. The Following 6 Users Say Thank You to Rose&Aurelia&Hannah For This Useful Post:

    Gentoo  (11-04-2016),HillDweller  (11-04-2016),LaDiDah  (11-04-2016),PomPoms  (11-04-2016),Tiny Dancer  (11-04-2016),VicPark  (11-04-2016)

  3. #72
    Join Date
    Jun 2011
    Posts
    3,458
    Thanks
    1,024
    Thanked
    2,099
    Reviews
    0
    Achievements:Topaz Star - 500 postsAmber Star - 2,000 posts
    As much as anyone thinks they can judge these parents, I'm sure they are judging themselves even harder.

    I probably wouldn't withhold treatment but he's not my child. I can't even imagine that unfathomable choice, it makes me sick to think about it. The only parents who would truly understand are those who have faced it.

    Death is an awful, awful outcome but surely quality of life has to factor in somewhere. It's an impossibly sad situation.

    Slamming the parents for using dr Google and other alternative therapies, after watching one sensationalised interview is a bit unfair. Unless you've sat in a room with them and talked to them, how do you really know how they feel of what they've tried.

  4. The Following 5 Users Say Thank You to Clementine Grace For This Useful Post:

    amyd  (11-04-2016),atomicmama  (11-04-2016),PomPoms  (11-04-2016),SuperGranny  (21-05-2016),Tamtam  (11-04-2016)

  5. #73
    Join Date
    Jul 2010
    Location
    The Kimberley WA
    Posts
    4,647
    Thanks
    919
    Thanked
    1,188
    Reviews
    0
    Achievements:Topaz Star - 500 postsAmber Star - 2,000 posts
    Quote Originally Posted by VicPark View Post
    The mum is a naturopath who used google and wanted to give her child a special juice from Asia instead of medical treatment. This lead me to believe she was driven by her own alternative ideology as opposed to fact/reason or even her child.

    Perhaps the ideological bleeter, said in the heat of the moment, was insensitive. Maybe 'a parent with ill informed extreme alternative views' would be better?
    I think there should be a spin off thread re views on naturopathy.

    I know a lady who had a brain tumour and declined medical treatment, instead she went down the track of alternate natural treatment. Now she is terminal.

  6. #74
    Join Date
    Nov 2011
    Posts
    1,058
    Thanks
    176
    Thanked
    636
    Reviews
    0
    Achievements:Topaz Star - 500 posts
    Quote Originally Posted by Tiny Dancer View Post
    This is a horribly heartbreaking situation. Neither choice they've been given is a good option. Both options suck. I honestly can't say what I would choose in the same situation.

    ETA: I have nothing but compassion for every member in the family. They don't deserve the vitriol that has been directed at them. They had to make a decision that had no win, and after making that heartbreaking decision taking all of the factors into consideration (some that doctors surely wouldn't know), doctors decided to fight it, and they were overruled. Doctors often are focused on "fixing" things. This situation can't be fixed.
    Except a 50% chance of survival is actually a pretty good survival chance? I have no comprehension how, a parent could not choose that chance for their child?

    My niece was diagnosed with a liver cancer with a tumour the size of an orange at 4 mths old, and with chemo and surgery to remove 70% of her liver was given a 60% chance of survival (and that means still alive in 5yrs). The first 2 yrs of her life were hell, and on several occasions she almost didn't make it, as the treatment was so aggressive.
    Today, she is a delightful, rambunctious 7yo little girl. She has some issues as a result of her treatment (some developmental delays and hearing loss etc from the chemo). She is terrified of medical professionals...but she is alive and thriving. I'm pretty sure my niece would say she is glad he parents took that chance with her, despite how traumatic and how poor her quality of life was for a while..

    Dr's choose palliation for child patients all the time, in this case they believe the child has a reasonable chance....Surely he deserves that chance?

  7. The Following 4 Users Say Thank You to Kaybaby For This Useful Post:

    cheeeeesecake  (11-04-2016),Hollywood  (11-04-2016),VicPark  (11-04-2016),yadot  (11-04-2016)

  8. #75
    Join Date
    Jun 2005
    Location
    At the beach
    Posts
    10,495
    Thanks
    1,430
    Thanked
    9,005
    Reviews
    3
    Achievements:Topaz Star - 500 postsAmber Star - 2,000 postsAmethyst Star - 5,000 postsEmerald Star - 10,000 posts
    Awards:
    Busiest Member of the Week - week ended 17/10/14100 Posts in a week

    Default 60 minutes: court order treatment for child

    I would imagine it's a risk of brain damage that is worrying the parents.

    DH and I discussed this last night using this analogy.

    You're standing on a burning platform. If you don't jump you will die. If you do jump there's a 50% chance you'll live but of that 50% there's a 75% chance you'll be a tetraplegic. What would you choose?

  9. #76
    Join Date
    Jul 2013
    Posts
    1,452
    Thanks
    819
    Thanked
    1,891
    Reviews
    0
    Achievements:Topaz Star - 500 posts
    Quote Originally Posted by Kaybaby View Post
    Except a 50% chance of survival is actually a pretty good survival chance? I have no comprehension how, a parent could not choose that chance for their child?

    My niece was diagnosed with a liver cancer with a tumour the size of an orange at 4 mths old, and with chemo and surgery to remove 70% of her liver was given a 60% chance of survival (and that means still alive in 5yrs). The first 2 yrs of her life were hell, and on several occasions she almost didn't make it, as the treatment was so aggressive.
    Today, she is a delightful, rambunctious 7yo little girl. She has some issues as a result of her treatment (some developmental delays and hearing loss etc from the chemo). She is terrified of medical professionals...but she is alive and thriving. I'm pretty sure my niece would say she is glad he parents took that chance with her, despite how traumatic and how poor her quality of life was for a while..

    Dr's choose palliation for child patients all the time, in this case they believe the child has a reasonable chance....Surely he deserves that chance?
    I totally agree. This isn't an 85 year old patient, prolonging the inevitable by a few years. It's a 6 year old child, and the chances are 50/50. Yes 50% that the child will not survive. But 50% that they WILL survive. He has his entire life before him. He could live to be 60,70,80 years old. He could recover and go on to live a happy and healthy life. I just don't see how you can give up when there is a 50% chance. I also think we as a society are so terrified by any form of disability. I find that really sad.

  10. The Following 2 Users Say Thank You to cheeeeesecake For This Useful Post:

    Mod-Degrassi  (11-04-2016),VicPark  (11-04-2016)

  11. #77
    Join Date
    Apr 2015
    Posts
    2,440
    Thanks
    2,354
    Thanked
    2,229
    Reviews
    0
    Achievements:Topaz Star - 500 postsAmber Star - 2,000 posts
    Quote Originally Posted by Sonja View Post

    You're standing on a burning platform. If you don't jump you will die. If you do jump there's a 50% chance you'll live but of that 50% there's a 75% chance you'll be a tetraplegic. What would you choose?
    I'd still jump and hope for the best. I'd make my children jump and hope for the best.
    But I wouldn't tell anyone else they had to jump, and I wouldn't judge them for choosing differently.

  12. The Following 2 Users Say Thank You to Frankenmum For This Useful Post:

    amyd  (11-04-2016),VicPark  (11-04-2016)

  13. #78
    Join Date
    Jun 2005
    Location
    At the beach
    Posts
    10,495
    Thanks
    1,430
    Thanked
    9,005
    Reviews
    3
    Achievements:Topaz Star - 500 postsAmber Star - 2,000 postsAmethyst Star - 5,000 postsEmerald Star - 10,000 posts
    Awards:
    Busiest Member of the Week - week ended 17/10/14100 Posts in a week

    Default 60 minutes: court order treatment for child

    Quote Originally Posted by Frankenmum View Post
    I'd still jump and hope for the best. I'd make my children jump and hope for the best.
    But I wouldn't tell anyone else they had to jump, and I wouldn't judge them for choosing differently.
    It was based on an actual scenario that happened on an oil rig in the North Sea. I'd jump too but mainly because the thought of standing there being burnt to death would be unbearable. Same reason people jumped out of the twin towers in New York I suppose.

    I don't know about this anymore to be honest. I had thought they'd already done some treatment for their son more than the removal of the tumour. It seems they haven't.

    I would take the chemo and radiation even knowing the risks. Whether I'd force another parent to or not I don't know.
    Last edited by Sonja; 11-04-2016 at 11:21.

  14. #79
    Join Date
    Nov 2011
    Posts
    1,058
    Thanks
    176
    Thanked
    636
    Reviews
    0
    Achievements:Topaz Star - 500 posts
    Quote Originally Posted by Sonja View Post
    I would imagine it's a risk of brain damage that is worrying the parents.

    DH and I discussed this last night using this analogy.

    You're standing on a burning platform. If you don't jump you will die. If you do jump there's a 50% chance you'll live but of that 50% there's a 75% chance you'll be a tetraplegic. What would you choose?
    I would jump...surviving is often instinctive...

  15. #80
    Join Date
    Oct 2010
    Posts
    10,154
    Thanks
    3,155
    Thanked
    6,054
    Reviews
    2
    Achievements:Topaz Star - 500 postsAmber Star - 2,000 postsAmethyst Star - 5,000 postsEmerald Star - 10,000 posts
    Awards:
    100 Posts in a week
    I just read the whole transcript and I have to agree that the right decision has been made.

    This is about giving a little boy a fighting chance at beating this illness. Saving his life IS in fact, a possibility.

    The medical professionals have fought for what they think is right for Oshin - surely if they thought it was better to let nature take it's course they wouldn't be fighting for him to the extent of taking it to the courts?

    Even though I do not agree with the decisions the parents have made concerning treatment, I still feel incredibly sorry for them. They genuinely believe they are putting their son's best interests first, and to be forced to go against that choice is a feeling I can't imagine.

  16. The Following 6 Users Say Thank You to Mod-Degrassi For This Useful Post:

    atomicmama  (11-04-2016),cheeeeesecake  (11-04-2016),Mokeybear  (11-04-2016),Tamtam  (11-04-2016),Tiny Dancer  (11-04-2016),VicPark  (11-04-2016)


 

Similar Threads

  1. Child Protection Order Check
    By ampri3 in forum IVF
    Replies: 3
    Last Post: 14-05-2015, 01:28
  2. Family court question
    By Jodes86 in forum General Parenting Tips, Advice & Chat
    Replies: 2
    Last Post: 30-04-2015, 13:25

Posting Permissions

  • You may not post new threads
  • You may not post replies
  • You may not post attachments
  • You may not edit your posts
free weekly newsletters | sign up now!
who are these people who write great posts? meet our hubbub authors!
Learn how you can contribute to the hubbub!

reviews
learn how you can become a reviewer!

competitions

forum - chatting now
sales & new stuffsee all
Be In Blossom
Keen to up the intensity of your exercise after having your baby but unsure how? New physio-led Bootcamp Workshops aim to bridge the gap between low and high intensity training, teaching ways to reduce pelvic floor load in gym and bootcamp settings.
featured supporter
Hills Swimming Kenthurst
Located in the beautiful suburb of Kenthurst and boasts a heated 25m pool. We conduct world-leading Baby and Parent Classes, Preschool Classes, School Age and Squad Training. Our classes are small, our service personal and our quality of the highest.
gotcha
X

Pregnant for the first-time?

Not sure where to start? We can help!

Our Insider Programs for pregnancy first-timers will lead you step-by-step through the 14 Pregnancy Must Dos!