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    I don't think NAPLAN is the the most important thing but I do think it has relevance. I would never send my child to a school performing below average. Especially in a low socio economic area. We live in a low socio economic area and the school that perform bad are actually bad schools. It doesn't matter how great the teachers are at the end of the day your child will be most influenced by other kids.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Janesmum123 View Post
    I don't think NAPLAN is the the most important thing but I do think it has relevance. I would never send my child to a school performing below average. Especially in a low socio economic area. We live in a low socio economic area and the school that perform bad are actually bad schools. It doesn't matter how great the teachers are at the end of the day your child will be most influenced by other kids.
    Look I agree and I disagree.

    I met with our school yesterday about the NAPLAN results that have suffered significantly over the last couple of years.

    While approaching the Principal led to the usual 'one test, one cohort, one day' response, the Deputies went above and beyond and had reams of helpful information clearly demonstrating that despite the results themselves, the academic achievement of the school was still incredibly strong. They were also able to provide more detailed results of the NAPLAN itself.

    It's a shame it is hard to schools to communicate this to prospective parents. Or to current parents for that matter.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Janesmum123 View Post
    I don't think NAPLAN is the the most important thing but I do think it has relevance. I would never send my child to a school performing below average. Especially in a low socio economic area. We live in a low socio economic area and the school that perform bad are actually bad schools. It doesn't matter how great the teachers are at the end of the day your child will be most influenced by other kids.
    I disagree. I just checked the similar schools on the myschool website for the school I work at. To get the comparisons, we have been compared with 53 other schools who have similar ICSEA score to the school I work at but only compared with 2 other schools from the local area. The local area surrounding the school is all similar. Our NAPLAN is pretty much in the red, yet we have had several visits from NSW education minister, been on the news and in the newspapers because we have been so successful. The early action for success initiative was supposed to finish at the end if this year but is going to be continuing at our school and others because it has been successful. Yet you look at myschool and our school looks rubbish if you judge by that alone.

    What they should do is compare with schools in local area with similar ICSEA scores or parents should focus on student growth.

    75% of students at the school I work at are in the bottom quarter of socio economic advantage.

    This is the school I work at.


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    Quote Originally Posted by BigRedV View Post
    I disagree. I just checked the similar schools on the myschool website for the school I work at. To get the comparisons, we have been compared with 53 other schools who have similar ICSEA score to the school I work at but only compared with 2 other schools from the local area. The local area surrounding the school is all similar. Our NAPLAN is pretty much in the red, yet we have had several visits from NSW education minister, been on the news and in the newspapers because we have been so successful. The early action for success initiative was supposed to finish at the end if this year but is going to be continuing at our school and others because it has been successful. Yet you look at myschool and our school looks rubbish if you judge by that alone.

    What they should do is compare with schools in local area with similar ICSEA scores or parents should focus on student growth.

    75% of students at the school I work at are in the bottom quarter of socio economic advantage.

    This is the school I work at.


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    With all due respect from memory you work in a school in the mount druitt area. And you have stated on BH numerous times of the problems within the school. Kids who are neglected at home, poverty and low academic records. Now I'm sure you are a fantastic teacher and I'm not having a go at all I have great respect for teachers. However if a school continuously can not answer Naplan questions correctly and falls below the average time after time in all categories I would not send a child there.

    And let's be honest here you wouldnt send your kids to the school you teach in and you have said numerous times you would never raise a family in the area. And I agree with you because I know the area well.

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    Default Poor NAPLAN results for local school...

    Just subbing back into this thread as while scrolling the new posts lists I saw a post start with 'all due respect.' !

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    Naplan holds very little weight for me (as a teacher, and as a parent).
    Imagine this: A class from school A. There is one child with a disability, & the school convinces that parent to get their child exempted from the NAPLAN test, so they dont drag down the average. 3 children who are 'below average' in their abilities; the school & teacher ignores their needs knowing that they will score poorly on NAPLAN regardless. There is a large group of average students, & a few above average. The teacher commits all her energy to the average and above average students, because you see good results quickly/ for a small amount of effort with this group. A large portion of the year is spent preparing for NAPLAN,with all efforts concentrated on the top 50% of the class. The school gets great NAPLAN results.

    School B has the same year level with 3 students with a disability. All 3 sit the NAPLAN test. The class has a similar spread of a few below average, large group of average, & a few above average students. The teacher, believing that every student matters equally, spreads her time amongst them as fairly as she is able. She works hard with the below average studrnts to try to give them the best education she can. She doesnt prepare for NAPLAN (only minimally the week before the test), she teaches to what the students need to learn. She distributes her effort across the low,average and high achieving students as equally as she can. The school performs much lower on NAPLAN - the extra students with disabilities drags down the averae, she didnt teach to the test, & she didnt try to push the higher achieving students with the only goal of performing well on a test.

    Which school is the better one?....

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    Default Poor NAPLAN results for local school...

    The local school is not a small one- approx 500 students.
    There are also a lot of composite classes which is disappointing considering the numbers too. No single grade 6 classes at all- 5 classes of 5/6.
    All past 5 years have been awful- less than 10% in top 2 bands....the vast majority in lower middle bands.

    As I said it was a good school growing up but that was a generation ago!

    It's just left me a little weary. My dd is bright (dh and I are smart and attended a selective academic high school) and I don't want her singled out or picked on for doing well.

    And don't get me started on the 2 local high schools, trying not to worry about that yet....

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    What naplan has done to skew the publics opinion of schooling and the point of education really is terrible.

    It's most beneficial use is as system data, not student data and not even school data. I'd stab myself in the eye before sending DS to a school that's one eyed focus is literacy and numeracy, schools that do this are really not doing the best for their students.

    There are far better ways to judge the best school setting for your child and NAPLAN is not something I would even look at. My DS is going to school next year and I'm doing lots of research now. This mainly means school tours, chats with teachers and principals. When I visit a classroom I want to see students engaged in different activities and them being able to articulate their learning, I don't want to see kids at tables ever practising for a test.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Little Miss Sunshine View Post
    The local school is not a small one- approx 500 students.
    There are also a lot of composite classes which is disappointing considering the numbers too. No single grade 6 classes at all- 5 classes of 5/6.
    All past 5 years have been awful- less than 10% in top 2 bands....the vast majority in lower middle bands.

    As I said it was a good school growing up but that was a generation ago!

    It's just left me a little weary. My dd is bright (dh and I are smart and attended a selective academic high school) and I don't want her singled out or picked on for doing well.

    And don't get me started on the 2 local high schools, trying not to worry about that yet....

    I think you should ignore NAPLAN then & choose the school that is the right fit for your child. Meet with the principal & see which school 'feels' right for you. I chose my DD's school because it felt right. There is a peace & calmness over the school, & it is a small school, which matters to us. I just knew she would thrive there - & she is. Other pwople prefer a larger school because i t often means a wider range of opportunities. Go with what is important to you& good luck - it can be such a hard choice.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Little Miss Sunshine View Post
    The local school is not a small one- approx 500 students.
    There are also a lot of composite classes which is disappointing considering the numbers too. No single grade 6 classes at all- 5 classes of 5/6.
    All past 5 years have been awful- less than 10% in top 2 bands....the vast majority in lower middle bands.

    As I said it was a good school growing up but that was a generation ago!

    It's just left me a little weary. My dd is bright (dh and I are smart and attended a selective academic high school) and I don't want her singled out or picked on for doing well.

    And don't get me started on the 2 local high schools, trying not to worry about that yet....
    I'd hazard a guess that perhaps they're now focussing on a broader and more meaningful curriculum and not just the 2 strands of literacy and numeracy. Composite grades are fantastic, what's the concern there? I can post some stuff about them if you're interested LMS. Have you visited classrooms?

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