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    Quote Originally Posted by A-Squared View Post
    Exactly! For all of those full time people working back to complete a job. Give 2 people 0.6FTE - enough to cover a job and staff won't quit from burn out.
    I really feel like the education department should be doing this for women in leadership. Had I not gotten pregnant I would have been made a principal within 6 months at 34. But, now I'm not afforded that opportunity because principals aren't offered job share which is ridiculous. So what happens is I'm now on family leave for 7 years and my role as AP stops after 5 years so I lose that unless I go back to reapply which is not possible. So yeah that's how the pay gap widens in education because male counterparts are free to take leadership positions due to the system being set up the way it is.

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    Quote Originally Posted by delirium View Post
    Commission type jobs aside, the only reason people and workplaces believe a job can't be done sufficiently part time is the work culture we've all been talking about. A full time job can be cut into 2 part time job shares, where two people liaise well with each other. There are some jobs this simply wouldn't work with but most would.
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    Quote Originally Posted by babyla View Post
    I really feel like the education department should be doing this for women in leadership. Had I not gotten pregnant I would have been made a principal within 6 months at 34. But, now I'm not afforded that opportunity because principals aren't offered job share which is ridiculous. So what happens is I'm now on family leave for 7 years and my role as AP stops after 5 years so I lose that unless I go back to reapply which is not possible. So yeah that's how the pay gap widens in education because male counterparts are free to take leadership positions due to the system being set up the way it is.
    In NSW you are able to do AP part time. And whilst I think it's great if people want to do that, I certainly think that for me, an AP job is too demanding to do part time and to give 100% to being a parent and 100% to being an AP just isn't possible.

    And I'm not sure about part-time principals. I think it would work in schools but certainly not that the school that I currently work at a sit would be too disruptive to other classes. It's just not possible to leave our office without an executive. Job share, maybe but can't say I've ever heard of it.

    Again, I'm not against the idea for others but I just know that I couldn't give my all to my job and my family if I was to do both.

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    Quote Originally Posted by BigRedV View Post
    In NSW you are able to do AP part time. And whilst I think it's great if people want to do that, I certainly think that for me, an AP job is too demanding to do part time and to give 100% to being a parent and 100% to being an AP just isn't possible.

    And I'm not sure about part-time principals. I think it would work in schools but certainly not that the school that I currently work at a sit would be too disruptive to other classes. It's just not possible to leave our office without an executive. Job share, maybe but can't say I've ever heard of it.

    Again, I'm not against the idea for others but I just know that I couldn't give my all to my job and my family if I was to do both.
    I was an AP for nearly 8 years before I took family leave - when I went back after having DS I was full time - full time was far too difficult for me (maybe not for someone else) - however, given job sharing part time was a piece of cake to do and to parent as well. It's the same as any job once you've been in it and you know it then you're able to do things with more ease. Yes it is demanding but so is teaching and teachers job share and do part time for more frequently than female leaders in education. The point also is giving women the choice of deciding if it's too demanding - you say yes, for you it is and I say no, for me it isn't but giving me that choice is not as easy as I believe it should be.

    I've gotta say too that your 2nd paragraph is exactly what the battle is - women don't get the choice to job share a principals role - for you it wouldn't work but for me it would, however it's not really an option because the system says so and that's the reason we have historically had a female dominated industry with male dominated leadership.

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    Quote Originally Posted by babyla View Post
    I was an AP for nearly 8 years before I took family leave - when I went back after having DS I was full time - full time was far too difficult for me (maybe not for someone else) - however, given job sharing part time was a piece of cake to do and to parent as well. It's the same as any job once you've been in it and you know it then you're able to do things with more ease. Yes it is demanding but so is teaching and teachers job share and do part time for more frequently than female leaders in education. The point also is giving women the choice of deciding if it's too demanding - you say yes, for you it is and I say no, for me it isn't but giving me that choice is not as easy as I believe it should be.

    I've gotta say too that your 2nd paragraph is exactly what the battle is - women don't get the choice to job share a principals role - for you it wouldn't work but for me it would, however it's not really an option because the system says so and that's the reason we have historically had a female dominated industry with male dominated leadership.
    I don't know if we've misunderstood each other?

    I absolutely believe that a principal job could be done as a job share. I also believe that an AP job could be done as a job share or part-time, although but I just don't think that a principal job can be done part time, well not less than 4 days anyway whether it is a male or female. I'm only speaking from limited experience as even though I've been teaching since 1998, I've always taught in very low ses and disadvantaged schools, and the school would just fall apart if the principal was only there 3 days a week. I would think it may be different in more affluent schools that didn't need a presence there. I don't know. But if someone would want to do the principal's job part-time, good on them.

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    I have certainly never felt less superior or treated any differently when working part time. During times I have decided to work part over the years my boss and wotk collegues have been nothing but supportive. There was a time I have job shared my role with 2 of us doing the same role and it hasn't worked so it reverted back to just myself doing the role. I also have my hours and days included in my email signature.
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    Quote Originally Posted by A-Squared View Post
    Exactly! For all of those full time people working back to complete a job. Give 2 people 0.6FTE - enough to cover a job and staff won't quit from burn out.
    Unfortunately some workplaces it's all about profit. They pay the least possible but expect you to finish the work regardless of the work load.

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    I'm just going to throw my experience in here. I'm a senior professional in a male dominated technical industry. I have a middle management role, I'm client facing and have people reporting to me. My company is a global privately owned company (owned by management of which I am part). We are in a competitive industry where winning work is key.

    Based on all the above and the previous discussions this should be a completely inflexible business. It is not.

    I work part-time. I meet my deadlines. My work quality is the same as before DD. Essentially the how I deliver is left to me and my team and we work out a system that works for us.

    What we found when we started introducing flexible roles is that many males wanted flexibility, they just weren't game to ask for it.

    While we continue to accept that it is too hard to be flexible, it will be too hard.

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    To answer the original OP both hubby and I work full time.

    After my boys were born I took nearly a year off on mat leave (each time). This had nothing to do with finances and it being a financial necessity to stay home. I have a higher income than hubby (not that we point score) and was fortunate enough to have enough leave and savings up my sleeve to take the time off. It was tight though. I took the time off (as opposed to hubby) because I wanted to breastfeed and I wanted to bond with my boys. And I wanted a break from work (break! Pffffttt!). There wasn't really any discussion about this before we got married and once we fell pregnant there was never any suggestion hubby would take time off in that first year - it just automatically happened that I took time off.

    The first year back at work after babies both hubby and I worked slightly reduced hours so the boys weren't in daycare as long. Discussions about these arrangements occurred when bubs were around 5 months - hubby suggested he reduce his hours, I didn't twist his arm in any way . Hubby absolutely loved his days off with just him and the kids.

    Now we are both back at work full time housework and kids-work is split 50-50. Hubby keeps making off the cuff comments suggesting he go part-time as he misses his days home with the kids. I am not against the kids having more days at home however Financially it's not an option for us. If one of us was to reduce hours now it would be hubby though as I earn more than him so it would make sense for him to take the time off.

    OP - I might not be on board 100% with all your views however what a great topic for a thread. Thanks

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    I still think with some roles there cant be flexibility. Eg if you have to be somewhere everyday for 4 weeks until a task is finished. I still think part time can work in lots of jobs but not all.


 

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