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    I always get cranky in these threads lol.

    But the pay gap starts from when you are fresh out of uni/school.

    How are you supposed to catch up if you are behind? Yes, women take maternity leave because generally since the male is paid higher wages from the beginning of their career then it makes financial sense.

    It is a fact that there is a gender gap. There are few women in high ranking roles. Are they less qualified? No. They are just women so can leave at any time to have babies so a male is a better choice.

    I am not someone who strives to have a big career but it makes me frustrated and cranky that people that do want to do not get the chance.

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    Quote Originally Posted by VicPark View Post
    Can you see how that sometimes (not always) a woman's 'choices' lead her to a situation where she is earning a lower income than her partner at the time of having kids, which leads to her taking time off work as a 'necessity'?
    Yes, sometimes. Often in fact.
    Can you see that often a woman will make those choices based on spending her whole life being socially conditioned to believe that it is a forgone conclusion that she will make those certain choices?
    Personal choice doesn't exist in a vacuum. It's unbelievably simplistic to think that the choices people make are purely personal choices. Everything we do reflects the culture we live in, whether we like to admit it or not. We can't change anything or get anywhere as a SOCIETY (so not just individual people) unless we examine these cultural biases.

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    When you look at lots the university trained jobs that are still poorly paid - teachers, social workers, nurses come straight to mind - it can't be a coincidence that they are female orientated fields. They are also essential services. Without people educating our kids, working with social and family problems and saving our lives where would we be?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Sonja View Post
    Not true. When I work part time I am available by phone 24/7 and make myself available for meetings whenever they are required. It's my choice to be part time not anyone else's problem. That's a huge part of the issue. People make assumptions about part time professionals without ever considering the individual and what they are happy to do.
    Being available via the phone 2-3 days per week when you are distracted by kids is not the same as being in an office with your colleagues where you are focused on work.

    I think it's possible to work part time don't get me wrong. I just believe it's near impossible to manage in a lot of areas when you're not there for 2 or 3 days per week.

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    Quote Originally Posted by BigRedV View Post
    My husband earns a shiz load more than me. Even if I was working full time, I would still only earn 40% of what he currently earns. And even though we are in completely different jobs, my husband has no formal qualifications and left high school at year 10 (or equivalent) and I'm tertiary educated.
    What industry are you in and what industry is he in? It doesn't mean by getting a tertiary qualification you're guaranteed to earn more than those who left school early. But in general if you want a higher paying job a degree is needed - think financial planner, accountant, engineer, architect, doctor, nurse etc. you aren't getting any of those jobs without a qualification. But equally a person who leaves school at year 10 but ends up doing a trade and then owning their own business is capable of earning more than someone with certain tertiary qualifications.

    VPs point was (I think) women have the same opportunities to do all of those things she listed. But if a woman decides to instead work in child care or I don't know something low paying where no qualification is needed, then that is a choice and part of that is unfortunately lower pay.

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    Quote Originally Posted by AdornedWithCats View Post
    I think it is a huge shame you can't have a "part time career". If you aren't fulltime you will be automatically overlooked.
    Agreed!

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    Quote Originally Posted by VicPark View Post
    I think it's possible to work part time don't get me wrong. I just believe it's near impossible to manage in a lot of areas when you're not there for 2 or 3 days per week.
    Says who?

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    Quote Originally Posted by twinklify View Post
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    How are you supposed to catch up if you are behind? Yes, women take maternity leave because generally since the male is paid higher wages from the beginning of their career then it makes financial sense.
    What do you attribute men being paid higher than women? Due to the nature or industry of work or because of discrimination against woman and paying them less, because they're female?

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    Quote Originally Posted by VicPark View Post
    Being available via the phone 2-3 days per week when you are distracted by kids is not the same as being in an office with your colleagues where you are focused on work.

    I think it's possible to work part time don't get me wrong. I just believe it's near impossible to manage in a lot of areas when you're not there for 2 or 3 days per week.
    We'll have to just disagree. I was able to very well. I would participate in phone hook ups sitting in the toilet while my kids slept. I made it work because it was important to me to do a good job.

    Making generalisations about what people can or cannot do is a part of the problem.

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    Quote Originally Posted by FearlessLeader View Post
    Yes, sometimes. Often in fact.
    Can you see that often a woman will make those choices based on spending her whole life being socially conditioned to believe that it is a forgone conclusion that she will make those certain choices?
    Personal choice doesn't exist in a vacuum. It's unbelievably simplistic to think that the choices people make are purely personal choices. Everything we do reflects the culture we live in, whether we like to admit it or not. We can't change anything or get anywhere as a SOCIETY (so not just individual people) unless we examine these cultural biases.
    I hope nobody reads this and thinks I'm saying 'if you're a SAHM or work in a low paid caring industry you're a brainwashed nincompoop'
    I'm saying- where are all the men growing up wanting to stay home with their babies? Where are all the male carers?
    It is NOT a difference in nature- as I said earlier, advances in neuroscience are showing that male and female brains are far more similar than different, and the differences are more often through nurture, not nature. Women are not biologically wired to be more caring. We are SOCIALLY wired to be more caring. SOME women will be more natural carers, but so will some men. But socially we notice the women carers and nurture them, and hold them up as great examples for all women. What happens to naturally more caring men? They're bullied or treated with suspicion

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