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    Quote Originally Posted by AdornedWithCats View Post
    Don't more women than men attend universities? And there is a 50:50 ratio of male and female PhD candidates.

    I spoke to a lady last year who campaigns for women's equility in science. She did a PhD in the 90s and there was a 50:50 ratio back then too. Now she is the only woman at her level (quite high) in her company - approximately 10% are women at this level across the board. Where did all the women she did her PhD with go?? There's a massive skill loss in science...all these woman who are highly trained are lost.

    She also had a significant pay dispute in the early 2000s. Again, the only woman at her level and she was the lowest paid. They were all at the same level with similar experience and qualifications. Apparently this happened to her at two different companies.
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    Good scenario. I think a lot of women drop out at the senior ranks due to taking time off when their kids are young. You can't maintain currency of skills if you take two years off and you can't manage a workplace if you're part time.

    Regarding your friend - curious as to how yourself (and your friend) know that what the others experiences were? There's plenty of background specifics I don't know about some people at my work that management (or a selection panel) might.

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    But why do only women have to take on all these extra measures to ensure a good career later down the line? Because we have less choices than men. Because we have to do more to get to the same place as men.
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    They are not extra measures. Anyone (male or female) who makes certain choices can increase their chances of earning a high income. I don't really believe women have less opportunity in setting up a career for themselves as men. I think a chunk of the pay gap is due to women making choices that set them up for a lower income (extended time off work, not establishing a career before kids, choosing fields that offer lower pay).

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    Quote Originally Posted by VicPark View Post
    Good scenario. I think a lot of women drop out at the senior ranks due to taking time off when their kids are young. You can't maintain currency of skills if you take two years off and you can't manage a workplace if you're part time.

    Regarding your friend - curious as to how yourself (and your friend) know that what the others experiences were? There's plenty of background specifics I don't know about some people at my work that management (or a selection panel) might.
    The problem isn't so much lack of skills from taking time off but not being able to get back into your field after taking time off. There's a mantra in my field - publish or perish. If you take time off your career is dead. But if you are lucky and can get a job, often workplaces aren't that flexible (even if they say they are).

    I'm not quite sure what you mean by your second paragraph.

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    Quote Originally Posted by VicPark View Post
    What job is your husband in? Does it involve shift work/extended hours danger?

    You're a teacher from memory. Unfortunately teachers are paid a pittance. Not saying it's a good thing but it's generally something people know prior to entering training.
    Where you say unfortunately I say 'why?' Why are teachers paid so poorly, when they perform an essential task, and are extremely highly skilled (I know of few other professions where it is so important to continue studying and learning that are so poorly paid)
    It's not even a case of them being public servants- private school teachers aren't paid much better on the whole.
    So why is it so poorly paid? Because it's considered women's work.
    Instead of constantly throwing personal responsibility back on people, which isn't actually going to improve the situation for ALL women (and really just means women continue to have to make MORE sacrifices than men, as well as work harder), why don't we actually try to change the way we view 'women's work' and pay a comparable wage for those jobs?

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    I think it is a huge shame you can't have a "part time career". If you aren't fulltime you will be automatically overlooked.

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    Quote Originally Posted by VicPark View Post
    They are not extra measures. Anyone (male or female) who makes certain choices can increase their chances of earning a high income. I don't really believe women have less opportunity in setting up a career for themselves as men. I think a chunk of the pay gap is due to women making choices that set them up for a lower income (extended time off work, not establishing a career before kids, choosing fields that offer lower pay).
    Despite quite a few women right here telling you that's not their experience at all?
    And plenty of women saying that taking time off for kids wasn't their actual choice, but a financial necessity?

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    Quote Originally Posted by VicPark View Post
    They are not extra measures. Anyone (male or female) who makes certain choices can increase their chances of earning a high income. I don't really believe women have less opportunity in setting up a career for themselves as men. I think a chunk of the pay gap is due to women making choices that set them up for a lower income (extended time off work, not establishing a career before kids, choosing fields that offer lower pay).
    The pay gap issue is not about lifestyle choices. The studies are based on the pays of men and women in the exact same roles and they take into account hours, time off, etc.

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    That sucks. Can I ask what industry you were in and whether you worked for a small or large company?
    Hospitality.
    There would have been 40? staff employed, but that includes the 1-2 shift staff.
    Of those of us that had more hours and a more involved role, there were 6, three of each gender.

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    Quote Originally Posted by AdornedWithCats View Post
    I'm not quite sure what you mean by your second paragraph.
    How did the friend know she was as equally or better qualified as he make counterpart/s?

    People (of both sexes) at my work moan about not receiving job opportunities as they were the better applicant, yada yada. Sometimes I sit back and think "you have no idea Fred worked on a confidential special project for 2 years that solved XYZ problem." Or "you're not telling the whole picture to your friends... You probably didn't get chosen because of that unacceptable behaviour complaint against you a few years back that proved you couldn't handle pressure."

    I suppose is sometimes people aren't really in a position to know if their application ****s all over the competition.

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    Quote Originally Posted by hopeful1986 View Post
    The pay gap issue is not about lifestyle choices. The studies are based on the pays of men and women in the exact same roles and they take into account hours, time off, etc.
    So they take into account currency of skills due to taking a few years off?


 

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