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    Quote Originally Posted by atomicmama View Post
    Because your comment is yet another misconception that I read yesterday. Feminism isn't about wanting the same reward as someone that works harder, but wanting the same opportunity to work as hard and be paid accordingly.
    I agree we should want and should have this and I believe we have this far more than many feminists would have you believe

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    While 1 woman (at least) in Australia dies every week at the hands of her intimate partner hell yes I'm a feminist.

    Feminism for me is as critical as breathing. Women who don't identify as feminists are lucky they haven't needed to.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Sonja View Post
    While 1 woman (at least) in Australia dies every week at the hands of her intimate partner hell yes I'm a feminist.

    Feminism for me is as critical as breathing. Women who don't identify as feminists are lucky they haven't needed to.
    Yes! And to add to that, it's not just our own country - the fact that marital rape is still legal in some countries, or the many other archaic laws regarding women's rights (ot lack of), means we still have so far to go.

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    Quote Originally Posted by A-Squared View Post
    I agree we should want and should have this and I believe we have this far more than many feminists would have you believe
    Maybe we do have it more than some say, but it's still very much an issue. The pay gap is something like 24% for women in full time employment.

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    Quote Originally Posted by VicPark View Post
    Maybe throw-the-hammer-down responses like this are why some women aren't don't feel comfortable identifying as a feminist?.
    See I don't buy this argument either. Not everyone is going to follow an ideology the same way. Saying you're not a feminist because some feminists are a bit full on is like saying you don't believe in God because some religious people are intolerant.

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    Choice is a loaded term though. I consider it a key concept of feminism in our generation and probably the most important aspect for me personally. But making a decision doesn't mean it's purely free will or isn't highly influenced.

    For example - a family has 2 or 3 young kids. Dad works FT say earning 60k a year. Mum has done the sums and by the time she pays CC, tax, takes out the FTB she loses, the cost of the commute, uniforms etc etc, she is actually *losing* money. Her husband is a shift worker so she can't even take evening work because his roster changes so much. So she stays home. Technically people may argue she is choosing to stay home. But it's a pretty loaded, influenced choice.

    I only have one small child at home and if I returned to work now by the time I factored in the above I would still be a bit ahead. I stay home solely bc I choose to. For DH and I it's important for me to be home when they are young. I don't stay home bc I feel guilty for working, or for money. My choice is purely autonomous. The woman above me isn't.

    In regard to equality. We are not equal with men. Equality is more than a pay scale. A man walks down the street at 2am alone, gets king hit and (rightfully so) everyone gives him empathy and places blame where it should be; at the perpetrator's feet. We get Coward Punch laws in record speed (rightfully so). Yet a woman walks down the street at 2am and gets raped, bashed or murdered... everyone is asking why was she alone? that she was drunk (like that makes any difference???). That she should have known better. Women are getting murdered in DV incidents in epidemic proportions and what happens? Nada. Women like Rose Batty are told her son's death was essentially her fault for letting him near their son. The govt actually *cuts* funding to front line services in favour of 'educating' us on what DV is

    Nope, we are not equal.
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    Yep, I've always been a feminist. But it's only as I've gotten older that I've truly started to realise how necessary it still is, and how far our own society still needs to go for true equality. Moving further in my career path and having children both opened my eyes.

    And if feminism is still important in our society, it's absolutely critical for women in so many other countries, where they are routinely and unashamedly treated as second class citizens.

    So yes, I am a feminist, and I will be raising my two boys with feminist ideals and values.
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    And by the way people, the pay gap is fact. It's a fact that women in the same fields doing the same work are paid less. That is fact. You can give me all the anecdotal evidence you like or say 'oh no that can't possibly be- perhaps they haven't considered these factors' they have. The fact still stands that women are paid less than men for doing the same jobs. Male graduates getting paid more than female graduates for the same roles is fact. It seems unlikely but it's true.
    I get very tired of the 'personal choice' argument. Men have a million more choices than women when it comes to work because they don't face the same constraints as women do. Just because you have personally chosen something don't think that all women get all the exact same options as men do. They don't. It's a fact.

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    I've never worked in an industry with pay gaps between sexes so for those that do - is it mainly private industry/companies?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Elijahs Mum View Post
    I suppose I am a feminist but I've been lucky in my life/career as I've never had any problems with working or advancing my career as a woman or ever really experienced any negativity because I'm a woman - my parents raised all of us to be independent so we all bought property young and are all in our own businesses , we never were taught that women were to stay home and have babies ( I had DS at 39) , I've been working for myself for close to now 20 years, my current office is mainly women and I've never experienced pay inequality in our industry - I chose to not work much for the last 5 years and could have made a lot more money if I did but I was lucky I had the choice
    Feminism is about so much more than just pay equality though.

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