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    Quote Originally Posted by Jontu View Post
    Slightly off topic but I am watching first dates. In all bar one the man pays. Only once have I seen a man ask the female if she would go dutch.
    Is it wrong for a man to pay now?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Janesmum123 View Post
    Is it wrong for a man to pay now?
    That's not what I meant. I just think it's double standards. Women say they want equality but it's quite obvious on this show anyway that there is an expectation that the men will pick up the tab. If women want to be treated equally why not offer to split the bill?

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    Quote Originally Posted by babyno1onboard View Post
    If males get better pay rises because they push the point and sell themselves more than females. Then females should start pushing the point too!

    Ladies - have confidence in yourself and go get what you want. Take charge and don't leave your happiness in the hand of others.
    No flaming but this reminded me of something.

    When women are assertive in the workplace and request/demand a pay rise etc etc like a male I do notice there is a perception that the woman is 'b!tchy' and 'aggressive' yet males are just encouraged for pushing for what they deserve.

    So I suppose my thoughts are running along the lines of are women who are trying to be assertive in their careers actually being 'aggressive' etc or is it just the perception we have because we are not used to a woman behaving (not sure if thats quite the word I am after) this way?

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    Quote Originally Posted by FearlessLeader View Post
    This has all been covered extensively. Gender inequality will not be solved by a peppy attitude. There are deeply entrenched ideas and customs in our culture that prevent women 'just going and getting what they want'.
    Well it worked for me. I have what I want because I went and got it and didn't take no for an answer. Studied and worked in male dominated fields, paid the same if not more than my male counterparts. I'm not a genius or anyone special, just a normal person.

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    Quote Originally Posted by babyno1onboard View Post
    Well it worked for me. I have what I want because I went and got it and didn't take no for an answer. Studied and worked in male dominated fields, paid the same if not more than my male counterparts. I'm not a genius or anyone special, just a normal person.
    So just because it didn't happen to you that means it doesn't exist?

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    Quote Originally Posted by BigRedV View Post
    So just because it didn't happen to you that means it doesn't exist?
    When did I say it didn't exist?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Jontu View Post
    That's not what I meant. I just think it's double standards. Women say they want equality but it's quite obvious on this show anyway that there is an expectation that the men will pick up the tab. If women want to be treated equally why not offer to split the bill?
    I guess for some people it's culture and tradition especially on a first date. It's a sign of respect. Even in my group of friends the men pay because to them it's seen as an embarrassment if a woman pays. Its kinda hard to explain.

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    Quote Originally Posted by babyno1onboard View Post
    When did I say it didn't exist?
    I didn't say you said that.

    Are you agreeing that there is a disparity?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Jontu View Post
    That's not what I meant. I just think it's double standards. Women say they want equality but it's quite obvious on this show anyway that there is an expectation that the men will pick up the tab. If women want to be treated equally why not offer to split the bill?
    I would suspect the show, like many reality shows is quite contrived and not in fact that reflective of reality.

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    No offense but I don't see why this is considered a "tradition" or sign of respect. Yet if someone were to say it is "tradition" for the man to work and woman be at home then that's gender inequality.

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