Definitely pin cushion but nothing compared to a full on IVF xx
Hi ladies, has anyone done any natural treatments such as herbs, Chinese herbs, supps from a naturopath or Chinese doc? I was told by naturopath that high NK Cells is only due to inflammation somewhere in the body! Through my own health study I tend to think that she might be right.
I'm not saying I wouldn't also use conventional medicine (steroids, blood thinners etc), but I've always been open and an advocate for natural ways so thinking this could be something to tackle too.
She thinks perhaps for me might be to do with some of my methylation issues (partly due to MTHFR gene mutation but possibly other things) / reaction to mould in our home (we are moving v soon thank goodness!) / something unknown.
There's also a natural medicine doc in Brisbane who has a whole program for natural fertility and they advocate treating NK cells with Chinese herbs - Dr Andrew Orr. Problem with their clinic is its an expensive program and you can't access him for a one on one consult. He has trained others in using his Chinese medicine formulas -including the naturopath I'm seeing now.
I thought it'd be worth a shot!!?!? They want you to do it for three months. I'm going to do two months because that feels like too long! It's been good to take the extra month off as last time (2nd ivf stim) really did me in on all levels.
Anyway we won't do the full program - it's 1900 for a couple for the first month, think it's 1000 after that? Includes 3 hr seminar in Bris you have to attend, 1 hr consult, Acupuncture appt for both and herb supply for both (they work out what need during consults and from history/records etc)...
Has anyone else heard of the program - Shen therapies. He's on the web. Or has anyone used herbs etc along with meds? I know someone else asked this the other day too.
I have heard of the program a friend of mine completed and sadly has not been successful
I personally have seen naturopath (sharkies on the gold coast) who is well known to treat fertility issues
I was also unsuccessful, now i understand people wanting to take the natural path, and its a totally personal choice
But i guess if you want to take the fastest route its probably with.modern medicine... as it has a higher success rate
Dr m. 80% over to cycles speaks volumes
Everyone I know who was a ltttcer who has ttied everything and ended up with ivf had tried natural path but modern medicine eas usually what them a miracle
He even said to us it would be worth to try and to keep our minds open.
I wish my FS were as open minded as he is!
I've being doing acupuncture and a mixture of herbs and supplements with a naturopath/acupuncturist who specialise in infertility. It's a very expensive exercise and each fortnightly visit costs me around $300+. I haven't been successful yet (7 failed transfers) and high mthfr mutations and high nkc. I believe it can help some people but maybe I'm just not one of them or you just have to give it more time. My therapist said in China a couple must do Chinese herbs/medicine for 2 years before they are referred to ivf. She said is ivf'ers can never give enough time between cycles really but she understand why too. I don't feel like taking a year off would do anything for me but I could be totally wrong. I feel the ivf drugs have probably left my body in a right mess.
I did acupuncture and chinese medicine and got pregnant naturally within 3 months. Unfortunately he was stillborn at 34 weeks.
Over two years of same acupuncture, herbs and IVF and I have only just managed to get pregnant again by using Dr M's protocol.
I have also done LIT BUT MC my last pregnancy so asked for more. I am currently 4dp5dt of 2 embryos and I am really hoping the addition of neuprogen helps. First I have to get my BFP and then the nervous wait to see how far it progresses.
We have talked about surrogacy too but Dr M is pretty confident he can help us.
Ange1111 I totally get you wanting TCM to work for you but saying NK cells are due to inflamation is not entirely right. I was treated for NK only & lost 4 blasties. It was only once I worked out the cause of the NKs was matches with my hubby & multiple transfers making NKs stronger that I got LIT & neupogen & IVIG & steroids etc that it worked. I would go the Dr M route, save your money for that - it's bloody expensive.
Once you have your western medicine baby you can treat yourself to TCM to rid yourself of the drugs!!!! I did years of acupuncture & herbs for a while but I really think herbs are way strong & can mess you up, several times I stopped them as it felt so wrong how sore my boobs were, weird bleeding etc.
if you're on this thread you are past TCM fixing you in my opinion. Save your money for IVF & eat organic, take good supplements, exercise & do acupuncture around transfers. Sorry to burst your bubble but I wasted time & money with TCM for my immune issues. If you are young, cashed up with time on your hands, you can try it but I really don't think it's worth that money right now. Good luck, so hard I know XXX
Last edited by PreciousHeart; 06-04-2016 at 08:52.
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