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    I found the article to be quite a lovely balance between intuition and science.
    Supportive of observing and getting to know YOUR baby and finally giving fairly equal weighting to our influence and our baby's natural self.

    And as the author described, some of these messages were empowering rather than pressuring.

    Good read!

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    Quote Originally Posted by GucciDahling View Post
    I found the article to be quite a lovely balance between intuition and science.
    Supportive of observing and getting to know YOUR baby and finally giving fairly equal weighting to our influence and our baby's natural self.

    And as the author described, some of these messages were empowering rather than pressuring.

    Good read!
    I've followed this blog for ages and think it's really good info but I think (not trying to make it personal of nuffink) the OP has a loooooong history of having a fairly black and white agenda when it comes to infant sleep, so it makes me and perhaps others feel a bit wary about the intention of posting it?

    Honestly RIE is about so much more than infant sleep and DH and I follow it very much in our parenting on a daily basis.

    Anyway as I said, it wasn't the message but rather the messenger that made me not want to contribute to the thread - but I did anyway

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    Quote Originally Posted by VicPark View Post
    What do you think of the article Holly?
    I follow Janet Lansbury and positive parenting on Facebook so had read it a few days ago, I thought it mirrored my attitude, I'm not against sleep training but I do believe sleeping is developmental as well so for some babies nothing you will do will change that. I try to display that attitude on the hub.

    Did it change your opinion that medical reasons are the only reason you can't 'tweak' a baby's sleep? Just this week you were stating that.
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    I don't know if a sample of 80 pregnant Israeli women and 101 mothers from London is enough for science.

    What I found interesting is in one breath she says that she should've given her first baby time to try and settle herself and that she would do things differently the next time around but then she says that each baby is different. I think that's a bit of a contradiction. Some babies are better at sleeping than others.

    My 2 girls were great sleepers as babies. They loved being in their own sleep space from birth. Apart from 4 month sleep regression in my youngest girl, my girls were never in our bed. But my son hated being in his own sleep space since he was born and he wanted to be with us in our bed. I don't think nurture had anything to do with that.

    My best sleeper is (was) my youngest and until a couple of weeks ago would sleep until 8:30 some days but that's all gone out the window due to nightmares and moving to a bed.

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    Quote Originally Posted by BigRedV View Post
    I don't know if a sample of 80 pregnant Israeli women and 101 mothers from London is enough for science
    Yep me too, I'd call this an opinion piece rather than a scientific study.
    And really it didn't seem to tell us anything we don't already know?

    Like I said, I like RIE more when it comes to older babies and children

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    Quote Originally Posted by misskittyfantastico View Post
    Yep me too, I'd call this an opinion piece rather than a scientific study.
    And really it didn't seem to tell us anything we don't already know?

    Like I said, I like RIE more when it comes to older babies and children
    I agree

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    Quote Originally Posted by misskittyfantastico View Post
    I've followed this blog for ages and think it's really good info but I think (not trying to make it personal of nuffink) the OP has a loooooong history of having a fairly black and white agenda when it comes to infant sleep, so it makes me and perhaps others feel a bit wary about the intention of posting it?

    Honestly RIE is about so much more than infant sleep and DH and I follow it very much in our parenting on a daily basis.

    Anyway as I said, it wasn't the message but rather the messenger that made me not want to contribute to the thread - but I did anyway
    No doubt - Re: VP's posts on sleep.
    I guess I was trying to keep an open mind and wanted to give credit where it was due. And the idea that even the staunchest supporters of particular methods can open their mind to articles that resonate for whatever reason.
    My DS, has recently started refusing to go to bed. Screaming, tears, tantrums and it's breaking me.
    He's been a dream sleeper since sleep school in July last year. The reason we went to sleep school is because from 4 months to 9 months he was waking 5-6 times a night or waking at 4-5am and staying awake.
    I felt huge pressure from family, other mums whose babies all just slept, mums on here even about what to do. It was pressure pressure pressure. Real or perceived.
    I started changing my thinking after reading some articles about bubs and sleep and decided that actually my DS would eventually work his sleep out and in the mean time I could help by doing a couple of things.
    That's all. I could help. And I felt this article have something similar. The idea that there's some things you can do - the nurture part. But also that there's an element of Bub that means they will march to their own beat and that's pretty cool too. And like this article, I found that idea empowering.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Clementine Grace View Post
    This really does depend on the individual persons parenting philosophy and what they are willing to "tweak" in order to try and get a child sleeping.
    This sums it up for me. I will change foods, meal times, nap times, room temperatures etc but I can't let DD2 cry it out, even at her worst when I felt so tired I could snap in two. That's not judging others who do, it was just more upsetting to me than being super tired. So I live with it and she's gradually improving in her own time. Other mums might have "fixed" her by now.

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    Quote Originally Posted by GucciDahling View Post
    No doubt - Re: VP's posts on sleep.
    I guess I was trying to keep an open mind and wanted to give credit where it was due. And the idea that even the staunchest supporters of particular methods can open their mind to articles that resonate for whatever reason.
    My DS, has recently started refusing to go to bed. Screaming, tears, tantrums and it's breaking me.
    He's been a dream sleeper since sleep school in July last year. The reason we went to sleep school is because from 4 months to 9 months he was waking 5-6 times a night or waking at 4-5am and staying awake.
    I felt huge pressure from family, other mums whose babies all just slept, mums on here even about what to do. It was pressure pressure pressure. Real or perceived.
    I started changing my thinking after reading some articles about bubs and sleep and decided that actually my DS would eventually work his sleep out and in the mean time I could help by doing a couple of things.
    That's all. I could help. And I felt this article have something similar. The idea that there's some things you can do - the nurture part. But also that there's an element of Bub that means they will march to their own beat and that's pretty cool too. And like this article, I found that idea empowering.
    It certainly is empowering to feel what you are doing is okay - I think the pressure on parents, particularly mothers is insane.
    I went through the wringer with my DD and it was reading something posted by a hubber that kept me almost sane amidst PND and severe sleep deprivation and came away feeling similarly empowered.
    Big hugs xxx

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    Quote Originally Posted by misskittyfantastico View Post
    Yep me too, I'd call this an opinion piece rather than a scientific study.
    And really it didn't seem to tell us anything we don't already know?

    Like I said, I like RIE more when it comes to older babies and children
    This 😄


 

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