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    Let's please not let this thread get derailed by people replying about people being able to tune out if babies can cry guys, she'll have her baby and she'll learn.

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    Quote Originally Posted by HollyGolightly81 View Post
    I do agree with you, as a nanny crying didn't bother me, as a mom, I can't stand to hear any baby cry. BUT, I still put up with it in the carseat, pulled over, did whatever to calm him down and continue.
    Oh trust me I had to as well otherwise I would have been housebound! I kept DS2 rear facing until he was 20 months when he grew out of the markers and the new series of seats were not yet available. I had hoped to make it to the new erf seats but we just didn't get there.

    Edit - I just too exception to the comment quoted in my post hence my response.

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    Quote Originally Posted by HollyGolightly81 View Post
    Just because Ireland does it as well doesn't make it right...
    I never said it did make it right...

    ETA: I'm saying that the petition stating that Australia is the ONLY one doing this, is ridiculous.
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    Quote Originally Posted by DT75 View Post
    I never said it did make it right...

    ETA: I'm saying that the petition stating that Australia is the ONLY one doing this, is ridiculous.
    It's says 'only developed nation,' maybe she doesn't consider Ireland developed😉.

    Sign the other petition then if you agree with the law, or another. The rearfacing Downunder site has their own petition but also a link to others.

    Eta: I also gather maybe her info is coming from EU safety regulations, and Ireland is part of the EU. So she's not totally exaggerating or using hyperbole like you originally stated.
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    Quote Originally Posted by HollyGolightly81 View Post
    It's says 'only developed nation,' maybe she doesn't consider Ireland developed������.

    Sign the other petition then if you agree with the law, or another. The rearfacing Downunder site has their own petition but also a link to others.

    Eta: I also gather maybe her info is coming from EU safety regulations, and Ireland is part of the EU. So she's not totally exaggerating or using hyperbole like you originally stated.
    Plenty of EU countries where it's the same though.
    I did sign it

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    Quote Originally Posted by DT75 View Post
    Plenty of EU countries where it's the same though.
    I did sign it
    Actually, I just googled and found that Ireland changed their regulations when the UK did, so they are making the change. https://www.newstalk.com/Front-facin...-their-way-out

    Are all EU countries considered 'developed nations?' Hungary and Poland are considered 'developing.'
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    Quote Originally Posted by DT75 View Post
    ETA: I'm saying that the petition stating that Australia is the ONLY one doing this, is ridiculous.
    ..Like I said this particular petition isn't the most robust platform on which to drive important change

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    I'm sorry. But isn't a petition always an opinion? It's started by somebody, or a group, passionate about changing a particular issue and gathering support to elicit change. Petitions are started on personal beliefs and opinions. Please tell when they are not.

    VP, you've proven throughout the thread that your issue isn't just the petition.

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    Quote Originally Posted by HollyGolightly81 View Post
    This is my point though, a change in law and education would see an increase in manufacturing demand and therefore and increase in seat options and affordability.
    Even though I strongly believe ERF is desirable, in a lot of cases I think there needs to be more of the a4 seats available as the main******, not the top-end option. By increasing the age that kids can forward face, it can place massive financial stress on families of tall or large babies. The only way that changing the rules would only work is if there was a long lead in, for example the new rules started in 2019 or 2020. Otherwise people just wouldn't do it for a myriad of reasons, including financial. Once a4 seats become the norm, you probably wouldn't have a problem, but trying to do it before that would be seen as revenue raising as you could be fined, and possibly profiteering from car seat manufacturers

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    Quote Originally Posted by kzm View Post
    Even though I strongly believe ERF is desirable, in a lot of cases I think there needs to be more of the a4 seats available as the main******, not the top-end option. By increasing the age that kids can forward face, it can place massive financial stress on families of tall or large babies. The only way that changing the rules would only work is if there was a long lead in, for example the new rules started in 2019 or 2020. Otherwise people just wouldn't do it for a myriad of reasons, including financial. Once a4 seats become the norm, you probably wouldn't have a problem, but trying to do it before that would be seen as revenue raising as you could be fined, and possibly profiteering from car seat manufacturers
    I feel like you're not actually reading my posts. I responded yesterday that a change in regulations wouldn't happen overnight, it takes a few years to get the whole community implementing them. Also many sites address the 'tall' baby argument. How do 3-4 year olds in Sweden cope with being rearfacing? Are they exceptionally shorter than Australians?


 

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