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    Please consider signing and sharing this petition to change child car seat laws to minimum 12mths rear facing from the current 6mth minimum.

    https://www.change.org/p/keep-austra...edium=copylink
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    Might be a good idea however I can't bring myself to sign until the petition outlines an Independent scientific study that specifically takes into consideration current Australian regulations and which specifically recommends rear-facing up to XYZ years in light of those specific regulations.

    The petition outline is a personal opinion piece and the study was all gobbledygook (well to me anyway).

    I agree it's worth talking about and raising as a discussion.

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    What studies do you want to see VP? Australian guidelines are actually pretty lax compared to other western countries. UK they legally have to be rear-facing until 15 months, but recommended until at least two and ideally four years old. Europe was before the UK with the requirement being 15 months. US also recommends to be rear-facing until a minimum two years. There are tons of studies out there proving that rear-facing is safest regardless of Australia's regulations or how safe one thinks their seat is.

    Eta: in California, New Jersey and Oklahoma children legally have to be rear-facing until 2. Most other states are all children ride rear-facing whenever possible.

    Eta 2: here's a quick article for reference http://www.parenting.com/article/car-seats-safety :

    'A 2007 study in the journal Injury Prevention found that children under age two are 75 percent less likely to die or to be severely injured in a crash if they are rear-facing. Another study found riding rear-facing to be five times safer than forward-facing.

    “A rear-facing child safety seat does a better job of supporting the head, neck and spine of infants and toddlers in a crash, because it distributes the force of the collision over the entire body,” said Dennis Durbin, M.D., F.A.A.P., a pediatric emergency physician and co-scientific director of the Center for Injury Research and Prevention at The Children’s Hospital of Philadelphiaand lead author of the policy statement and accompanying technical report.'
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    I know I'll be flamed but all my kids were turned around by 6 months. All screamed continually until they were turned. My risk of having an accident actually reduced once I turned them.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Sonja View Post
    I know I'll be flamed but all my kids were turned around by 6 months. All screamed continually until they were turned. My risk of having an accident actually reduced once I turned them.
    That's you're own risk assessment Sonja but it doesn't meant it was the safest choice or that studies of the increased safety in rear-facing should be ignored.

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    Quote Originally Posted by HollyGolightly81 View Post
    That's you're own risk assessment Sonja but it doesn't meant it was the safest choice or that studies of the increased safety in rear-facing should be ignored.
    Not saying that at all. When I had my kids the law was 6 months. I'm actually not proud of it. I'm just glad that I don't have a baby anymore. Driving with screaming babies was one of the worst things ever for me.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Sonja View Post
    Not saying that at all. When I had my kids the law was 6 months. I'm actually not proud of it. I'm just glad that I don't have a baby anymore. Driving with screaming babies was one of the worst things ever for me.
    I found that DS got over it. He went through a phase of hating his car seat and screaming but when it's the law you just have to deal with it. He got over it now still happily rear-facing at two.

    I just hate the often implied attitude of 'I had to do it and my children are fine.' Not saying you did that but I guarantee there are always attitudes like that, ya know.

    Eta: also hence why Australia has lax laws, 6 months is far too young to allow baby to turn.

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    none of my 4 kids got over it.

    Like I said the law was different when my eldest was a baby. She didn't meet the age criteria but met the height and weight. Kids safe actually recommended I turned her around.

    I also had pram haters. Everyone said they'd grow out of it and also never did.

    Anyway nothing against the petition. Just takes me back to some really bad times.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Sonja View Post
    none of my 4 kids got over it.

    Like I said the law was different when my eldest was a baby. She didn't meet the age criteria but met the height and weight. Kids safe actually recommended I turned her around.

    I also had pram haters. Everyone said they'd grow out of it and also never did.

    Anyway nothing against the petition. Just takes me back to some really bad times.
    If you changed them at 6 months then how do you know they'd never grow out of it...?

    Also, I think the law is still 6 months, hence the petition op posted and the fact that kid safe recommended you turn them is proving my point that Australian regulations are lax and not up to date with current studies. I know when we were in Melbourne last year my friend with an 8 month old had him forward facing.

    Eta: I had a pram hater as well but being London I had no choice to use it most times, and he grew out of it 😉😂
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    Quote Originally Posted by HollyGolightly81 View Post
    If you changed them at 6 months then how do you know they'd never grow out of it...?

    Also, I think the law is still 6 months, hence the petition op posted and the fact that kid safe recommended you turn them is proving my point that Australian regulations are lax and not up to date with current studies.
    Fair point. I guess because they never grew out of hating the pram and the kids safe people I took advice from said it's often the same babies who hate both.

    I loathe driving with kids so tried to avoid it as much as I could when we lived in Melbourne.

    But this was more about my remembering how much I hated those days than trying to debate the merits of this so can we leave it there.

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