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    Quote Originally Posted by Maxwellsmum View Post
    Oh no can I please say with absolute assurity I do not want @BlondeinBrisvegas to get put down @BlondeinBrisvegas you poor thing. I had a chocolate gaytime just for you to help you get through this part of the thread. I am just a really bad speller Goodness though when I read these last few pages I almost chocked on my chocolate gaytime because I laughed so hard.

    Here are the links -
    http://www.sbs.com.au/news/article/2...ming-australia

    http://www.sbs.com.au/news/article/2...ming-australia

    Thanks for having the chocolate Gaytime for me Bloody YUM!!!!

    Thanks for the links too Luv, will check them out. I'm serious about you going "undercover" to get your story accross to the ABC/Courier Mail or something??

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    I just fixed up one of the links, one is from ABC and the other SBS @Gen72 and @MamaKes emailed them through to me. It is weighing on my mind I might flick something off to them, yes they could fuzz me out and put one of those awful voice-overs on over my voice to disguise it. I would be interested in others opinions as maybe I interpreted them wrong just been my usual ultra sensitive self
    Quote Originally Posted by BlondeinBrisvegas View Post
    Thanks for having the chocolate Gaytime for me Bloody YUM!!!!

    Thanks for the links too Luv, will check them out. I'm serious about you going "undercover" to get your story accross to the ABC/Courier Mail or something??

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    @Maxwellsmum my take on it is that they are questioning the lawfulness of what they are doing here in Australia where our laws are strict about egg donation/non payment etc. The other question is whether these companies are just on a money grab in which desperate infertile couples are taken advantage of. There has been a bit of reporting recently about the IVF industry here so its possibly lead on from all that.

    Look I think its valid for society to ask these questions, its partly about desperate couples wanting a baby but its also very much about the rights of the children who are born using donor eggs/sperm. There are loads of ethical questions which are continuously arising from all this and its a healthy attitude to look at them in detail.

    One thing that is a little strange is that in the abc article they are talking like two individuals meet on the internet and they arrange for their other half of the "pair" to come over in this group. Isn't it a clinic in SA that has the list of donors that will travel and you choose who you want? Or have I got that wrong? It just sounds like they are assuming something else?
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    I have a problem with these statements:

    "It is very problematic that people are literally being 'sold' the idea that this is a reasonable way to form a family," she said. (Not 'reasonable' hey??)
    "Once you open the door to such trade, yes, there are problems. People desperate to have a baby are charged huge amounts of money to access treatments that have relatively unknown 'success' rates. (If they're a proven donor then yes, indeed we do know their success rates, plus I'm sure QFG's success rates are transparent!!)
    "Young girls are transported across borders so that their eggs can be procured. The people profiting most are the agents, the industry."

    I don't disagree with the profiteering bit though!! The rest I find offensive and inaccurate.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Maxwellsmum View Post
    I just fixed up one of the links, one is from ABC and the other SBS @Gen72 and @MamaKes emailed them through to me. It is weighing on my mind I might flick something off to them, yes they could fuzz me out and put one of those awful voice-overs on over my voice to disguise it. I would be interested in others opinions as maybe I interpreted them wrong just been my usual ultra sensitive self
    @Maxwellsmum I totally understand where you're coming from re reaching out to the media. However I urge caution. I'm a journalist and have been in the media industry for 20 years plus. I deal with shows like ACA and ABC news regularly. Let's have a chat through pros and cons before you make any calls. Im meaning well by not wanting you to go ahead without giving you some advice. Xx

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    The first statement is offensive, those people clearly haven't been here and have no idea about infertility land.

    But...it might not be the case in this instance that anything dodgy is happening but the reality is that it wouldn't be ridiculous to think that there could be young girls trafficked for their eggs, if its not already happening. Its not a stupid question and probably only a matter of time sadly. It is important that they make sure this stuff is ethical, and for everyone involved especially the recipients.

    People can have such extreme stances on issues cant they until they are faced with the choice between nothing and having a child through donation. It sux

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    Quote Originally Posted by tuxcat View Post
    @Maxwellsmum my take on it is that they are questioning the lawfulness of what they are doing here in Australia where our laws are strict about egg donation/non payment etc. The other question is whether these companies are just on a money grab in which desperate infertile couples are taken advantage of. There has been a bit of reporting recently about the IVF industry here so its possibly lead on from all that.

    Look I think its valid for society to ask these questions, its partly about desperate couples wanting a baby but its also very much about the rights of the children who are born using donor eggs/sperm. There are loads of ethical questions which are continuously arising from all this and its a healthy attitude to look at them in detail.

    One thing that is a little strange is that in the abc article they are talking like two individuals meet on the internet and they arrange for their other half of the "pair" to come over in this group. Isn't it a clinic in SA that has the list of donors that will travel and you choose who you want? Or have I got that wrong? It just sounds like they are assuming something else?
    Known donors arrange the whole thing they essentially are the clinic. They have a list of ladies who are interested in been either donors or known donors. We get sent a few profiles, we pick from there then we skype our donor. After that there is a cooling off perod where the donor can change their mind if they want to. It is up to us as in my husband and I and our donor how much contact we have, some have a fair bit and the donor becomes an "aunt" or a "special friend"others prefer to not so much. That is all decided in the beginning really when you pick your donor. I think the main factor with known donors is they are listed on the donor registrar here is Aus, so any child/children can find them if you like after they turn 18. @MamaKes yes I know, it would be good for people to understand the pain we go through to get to this point. I know I have to focus more on myself and my new cycle, my husband has vittoed me going to any media anyway as it is too risky as we really don't want anyone here knowing anything about what we are doing because of any fall out later on that may hurt our child/children as we are still undecided about if or when we will tell them. @Tahli yes "It is very problematic that people are literally being 'sold' the idea that this is a reasonable way to form a family," she said.... that bothered me too as for some people this in the ONLY way that they can form a family and don't we have a right to be parents as well. I mean drug addicts, pedo's, rapists, murderers, alcoholics, Michelle Bridges.... they can all have families.

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    @tuxcat I forgot to say only the ladies who are willing to be known donors are sent to us because of the Aus legilsation. They have a lot less ladies wanting to be known donors.We also sign into a contract too later on at some point.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Maxwellsmum View Post
    don't we have a right to be parents as well. I mean drug addicts, pedo's, rapists, murderers, alcoholics, Michelle Bridges.... they can all have families.
    classic!!! she's got a LOT of fans in here

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    Because well you know "quotes MB's" it is so easy to get pregnant when your fit and healthy" and "every pregnant mum should run 20km marathons every single day it helps the baby", "birth what birth, I did a squat and he popped right out" Actually I made the last two up
    Quote Originally Posted by tuxcat View Post
    classic!!! she's got a LOT of fans in here

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