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    I feel your pain OP. I had a bad sleeper too. He was up at all hours of the night, sometimes waking before midnight and refusing to sleep until hours later. I've always been of the mindset that I should do whatever I need to do to get some sleep and for me that meant rocking him, feeding him to sleep etc until HE was ready to stop those things. He was stubborn and if I had tried any other kind of sleep training or controlled crying it wouldn't have worked and I would have been even more sleep deprived if I had to spend extended periods of time listening to him cry.

    As for the whole idea that babies won't sleep through if they use 'sleep aids' I think that's a crock. When my son was around 12 months old he went through a stage where he no longer wanted to be rocked and just wanted us to sit in his room while he went to sleep on his own. Those nights were no better in terms of how much he slept, than the nights when we were rocking him to sleep. Some nights he actually woke more frequently when he was going to sleep without help than he ever did when he was helped to sleep.

    He is now 2.5 and a dream sleeper and we've never done any kind of sleep training with him at all. I don't really have any other advice except to say that you're not alone. Oh, and I'd avoid that moronic Sleep Doctor at all costs. He blatantly ignores medical advice and encourages parents to go against SIDS recommendations, and some of the ridiculous claims he has made about breastfeeding just prove that he's an idiot. I'd never trust him with any aspect of my child's care.

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    Same here @DarcyJ. Never sleep trained and just went with the flow.

    Result?? Phenomenal kids that nap well at 3.5&5.5yo and sleep brilliantly at night. Plus no stress for us as a family.

    Parenting made simple.

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    My DD didn't sleep through until she was almost 2. The only thing we did different was to co-sleep. Best decision we made and I wish I'd done it earlier.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Joeee View Post
    I saw the sleep doctor in Adelaide and his approach does work but it is a very difficult process that involves leaving your Bub to cry. I saw him at 14 months and it took 6 nights for my boy to sleep 7-5 he's now 19 months and still sleeping well.

    I know he is controversial so if you want more info on the approach pm me 😄
    I saw him with both my kids from a very young age and cant speak highly enough of him. Yes its hard to start with but 100% worth it

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    Quote Originally Posted by DarcyJ View Post
    As for the whole idea that babies won't sleep through if they use 'sleep aids' I think that's a crock. When my son was around 12 months old he went through a stage where he no longer wanted to be rocked and just wanted us to sit in his room while he went to sleep on his own. Those nights were no better in terms of how much he slept, than the nights when we were rocking him to sleep. Some nights he actually woke more frequently when he was going to sleep without help than he ever did when he was helped to sleep.
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    There might be some confusion as to what constitutes a sleep aid? Let me try and clarify.

    1.Sitting in a room with your child until they fall asleep is still aiding them to sleep (it is not self settling). Hence the continued night wakings. That being said patting or sitting in a room with your child may still be a useful tool in encouraging self settling if it is used to wean from a stronger sleep aid (and where the use is slowly phased out).

    2. If a child (without medical issues) is able to self settle mum or dad will be able to kiss them goodnight, pop them into bed, walk out and have the child fall asleep on their own. Without rocking, patting or sitting with them. If your child can fall asleep like this, is healthy (no medical issues) and is fully established on solids then the chances of then sleeping through is dramatically increased.

    3. Unless there are medical/solids issues which the OP hasn't yet disclosed I have little doubt that bubs frequent waking is due to the way in which bub falls asleep.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Rose&Aurelia&Hannah View Post
    Same here @DarcyJ. Never sleep trained and just went with the flow.

    Result?? Phenomenal kids that nap well at 3.5&5.5yo and sleep brilliantly at night. Plus no stress for us as a family.

    Parenting made simple.
    Your older kids sleep well now however from what I understand when younger they went through periods or waking through the night and to date they wake early? Which may have impacted stress mentioned in other threads?

    I know you are now comfortable with this and have a wonderful outlook regarding your kids. However it's important to recognise that many parents aren't able to cope with disrupted sleep. Aren't able to cope with early rising. Aren't able to cope with spending hours putting their kids to sleep in the evening or during the day. For many parents having kids that can't self settle or sleep through isn't parenting made simple it's parenting made a nightmare.

    Not trying to start anything and I'm not trying to criticise your parenting style (different strokes for different folks). I just think in a thread where a parent has said they are not coping with disrupted sleep they need more than to be told they should just co sleep, my kid sleeps through now he's 4, or go with the flow (the latter of which may help in the long term however it doesn't help today, tomorrow, next week or probably even next year).
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    I coslept with both mine.
    Eventually it was laying down with them until they fell asleep.
    By around 3.5 - 4 yo both were able to be read stories, then kissed goodnight and left to fall asleep on their own. They mostly sleep through and even go to toilet themselves in the night. Occasionally they have nightmares or leg cramps and wake us up for cuddle and to be tucked in.
    They sleep with a night light (pillow pet) that switches off automatically after 20min.

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    Quote Originally Posted by VicPark View Post
    There might be some confusion as to what constitutes a sleep aid? Let me try and clarify.

    1.Sitting in a room with your child until they fall asleep is still aiding them to sleep (it is not self settling). Hence the continued night wakings. That being said patting or sitting in a room with your child may still be a useful tool in encouraging self settling if it is used to wean from a stronger sleep aid (and where the use is slowly phased out).

    2. If a child (without medical issues) is able to self settle mum or dad will be able to kiss them goodnight, pop them into bed, walk out and have the child fall asleep on their own. Without rocking, patting or sitting with them. If your child can fall asleep like this, is healthy (no medical issues) and is fully established on solids then the chances of then sleeping through is dramatically increased.

    3. Unless there are medical/solids issues which the OP hasn't yet disclosed I have little doubt that bubs frequent waking is due to the way in which bub falls asleep.
    My child does not have a medical issue. And yes we had sleep problems. But not from the use of 'sleep aids'.

    My child was/is senstive. A lot like me to be honest.

    From a very very young age he was petrified of the cot. He saw it and screamed - so he had to sleep on a bed.

    He needed to be continually held. Through the day and night. He slept better with me than without.

    I tried to 'train' at one stage - and I had a child who not only was petrified of the cot but also petrified of sleeping alone - it made it worse. For months.

    In fact a friend of mine tried sleep school with her boy. He ended up petrified of the room/cot and being left alone for months after.

    He is now a fabulous sleeper - in his own time.

    My DS sleeps well now too. Because he has matured. He is more confident in himself.

    So hearing someone insinuate 'its my fault if its not a medical issue' is not helpful.

    Its just my child. The way he is. And I have accepted that and chose to find a way for us to get through it. Co sleeping, sleep aids and all thise things that create 'bad habits' were a lifesaver for us.

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    Quote Originally Posted by twinklify View Post

    So hearing someone insinuate 'its my fault if its not a medical issue' is not helpful.
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    It wasn't meant to be a personal attack however I stand by what I said. In most cases where there are no medical issues it is within a parents ability to help a child sleep through. I am sorry if that hurts. I'm not saying it's easy - it can be quite difficult for a parent to find the magic combination of things to tweak to help their child sleep through.


 

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