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    Thanks @Maxwellsmum. Unfortunately LB isn't some-one you can push anything with. Damn! She's steadfast in her administration of 200mls of intralipids and no higher. I highly doubt/know she wouldn't ok me doing back to back weeks of intralipids.
    Food for thought though if I want to do intralipids this time. As of tomorrow I will have paid my PHI excess for the year so any intralipids are 'free' for the year so I may as well do it if I can arrange childcare for my DS.
    @BlondeinBrisvegas I thought he'd come back with all sorts of weird and wonderful results, but nope, just boring old NK cells. And here's the dilemma. As you may recall me saying, LB has recently met with the lady who discovered NK cells & that lady is now of the thinking that 'treating' NK cells may be impeding implantation. So here I am, stuck in between highly knowledgeable experts, with no clue as to who's advice to take.
    On my last visit with LB she said to ditch everything except folic acid (obv) and Clexane (homo MTHFR). As you know, I'd had enough and my poor old body had had enough.
    My hysteroscopy is at around 6.30pm tomorrow. I always pull up rough after general anesthetics so I won't get home til around 9pm. A big decision to make on Saturday, if the hysteroscopy is all clear.
    I need to hear from LB what chance she'd give me with an OE cycle now. If it's 5% I will do DE, if it's 10% I'm undecided, it's 15% I'll do OE.
    PS: In line with your analogy BiB, my Dad call's D&C's "grease and oil changes".
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    Quote Originally Posted by Tahli View Post
    Thanks @Maxwellsmum. Unfortunately LB isn't some-one you can push anything with. Damn! She's steadfast in her administration of 200mls of intralipids and no higher. I highly doubt/know she wouldn't ok me doing back to back weeks of intralipids.
    Food for thought though if I want to do intralipids this time. As of tomorrow I will have paid my PHI excess for the year so any intralipids are 'free' for the year so I may as well do it if I can arrange childcare for my DS.
    @BlondeinBrisvegas I thought he'd come back with all sorts of weird and wonderful results, but nope, just boring old NK cells. And here's the dilemma. As you may recall me saying, LB has recently met with the lady who discovered NK cells & that lady is now of the thinking that 'treating' NK cells may be impeding implantation. So here I am, stuck in between highly knowledgeable experts, with no clue as to who's advice to take.
    On my last visit with LB she said to ditch everything except folic acid (obv) and Clexane (homo MTHFR). As you know, I'd had enough and my poor old body had had enough.
    My hysteroscopy is at around 6.30pm tomorrow. I always pull up rough after general anesthetics so I won't get home til around 9pm. A big decision to make on Saturday, if the hysteroscopy is all clear.
    I need to hear from LB what chance she'd give me with an OE cycle now. If it's 5% I will do DE, if it's 10% I'm undecided, it's 15% I'll do OE.
    PS: In line with your analogy BiB, my Dad call's D&C's "grease and oil changes".
    Hmmm....yes, I do recall you saying that Luv.

    I think your decision will come down to if you choose to do an OE/DE Cycle. If you go the OE Cycle then perhaps you can do it taking only what LB suggests??

    If you go DE then you'll have a bit more time to weigh things up regarding doing the immune protocol suggested by Dr M???

    Yes, a tough decision all right Luv

    and prayers being sent for the "all clear" from your Hysteroscopy tomorrow

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    I want to say thank you to you all today for making the laughter come from tears this afternoon. I had a one on one with one of my direct reports who told me she is 13 weeks pregnant. It took everything to not cry when she said, like her first this one was not planned, and she was taking contraception. I managed to let my 14 strong team know so they could collectively congratulate her and get through the whole day then totally broke down with my mum on the phone after work. I've fallen out with my dp as he just doesn't understand why that would upset me and said it was great news for her.

    The images for ivf clinics could include my currently bloated, sore and bruised belly and swollen ankles. And mascara stained cheeks. Beautiful!!!!

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    I just wanted to add that I think often the stats from the clinics is misleading. Most of the numbers they tell you are for pregnancies, not for a take home baby. And as most of us know, there's a big difference between the two.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Charlie74 View Post
    I think what people should DEFINITELY be told early I by clinics is that it could potentially be a VERY lonely and isolating journey if you don't have people close to you that have been thru this. If there's anything that I feel strongly about, it's that the clinics should HAVE to run some kind of support groups that girls could attend (alone or with partner in tow).

    For all their faults, my clinic actually did speak to me about potential relationship strains prior to starting IVF. They said that IVF places a huge strain on both parties and it was not unusual in times of distress to turn on your partner. They said that many relationships completely break down because of it, and encouraged us to do counselling sessions to keep the lines of communication open.

    At the time I was like "Right, right, just let's get started...." but now in hindsight they were 100% right, and it has affected my relationship with DH. Not in a good way, either. I am hoping once we are done and dusted with this IVF malarky we can then turn our attention to our relationship.

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    Just read through the last few pages and I'm in hysterics. Love the needle idea. Much more realistic than a 20 something year old rich white chick holding a blonde hair blue eyed perfect baby.
    @Bongley the Genea office I went to had expensive looking artwork too. I'd like to break in and change their concentric circles (presumably representing fertility) for a picture of a woman bleeding from the vijayjay curled up in the foetal position drowning in her own tears. Not too harsh me thinks. Just a small representation of the reality of IVF.
    It's so freakin true that people have IVF all wrong. I overheard a conversation in the lunch room this week between 2 ladies discussing a woman who had a baby at 47. One said: "Yeah must have been IVF there's no age age limit you know". The other agreed and added that there were going to be heaps of kids with older mum's soon. I was sitting at the next table saying nothing but thinking I'd like to serve them up some figures that'd keep their tongues from wagging. People really do believe that IVF is some super cure for infertility that always works. I remember being hopeful when I started (aided by an FS who spoke in a smooth crooning voice about new techniques and better results). It lasted 2 cycles I reckon before reality sunk in. Honesty would be better... although I still think we would have chosen the same path. No choice really.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Caesardust View Post
    I want to say thank you to you all today for making the laughter come from tears this afternoon. I had a one on one with one of my direct reports who told me she is 13 weeks pregnant. It took everything to not cry when she said, like her first this one was not planned, and she was taking contraception. I managed to let my 14 strong team know so they could collectively congratulate her and get through the whole day then totally broke down with my mum on the phone after work. I've fallen out with my dp as he just doesn't understand why that would upset me and said it was great news for her.

    Hugs hon, that's really rough. I don't think my DH has any inkling about how these things impact on me either. I tell him, of course, when I'm upset but his general response is normally just "Oh well, there's nothing we can do about it. You just have to get over it."

    Hmmm. Get over it.

    Anyway, well done on keeping your dignity at work. Maybe have a nice soak in the tub and a glass of wine tonight? Hugs to you


    Blossom

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    Started bleeding last night so brought my bt forward. Confirmed BFN

    But OMG the pain I'm in isn't making this easy to bear

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    @Caesardust you did great to have gotten through that without breaking down yourself so well done! We all get it, and we've all had some experience similar, its frucked up basically! How hard is it to understand that it hurts to hear people around us falling pregnant so easily!! Men!
    @faithandhopellove I hear those conversations all the time, and more and more I step in and say well its donor eggs as they are too old to conceive via IVF with their own. People talk about celebrities having babies at 48 and don't know that its not their own eggs. Its part of the ongoing lie that we have all been sold about this - that chances are you wont fall pregnant in your forties. So many people say to me that their mother had them at 40 etc etc and of course there are some but its not the norm, not unless they've had kids prior which i think seems to help in a lot of cases. Its frustrating. ANd I think that woman replacing the concentric circles needs an empty bottle of wine next to her and wine glass in hand!
    @Tahli the immune stuff is contraversial in the eyes of many FS's. The director of Genea doesn't believe in it and I know a few Drs that work there that do not and wont treat them as such. The FS I saw at IVFA said to me that we could try it but that the jury was still out whether it actually worked or not so its not as "proven" as it seems in here. Nothing against anyone in here btw Im just stating the facts of the Drs I know about - their views on it. Everyone has their own take on it. Im in the undecided camp, and since my FS is so against it and I am scared of Prednisone after my experience its not something I will be jumping to try again. Not at this stage anyway, never say never though if the DE aren't working. Good luck tomorrow, look after yourself and lets hope the grease and oil change does the oven wonders!!

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    @Twiglets Im so sorry to hear that, its never easy. I hope youve got some nice treats to help heal the heart

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