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    Quote Originally Posted by Petal40 View Post
    @Precious40 you are being so strong! I would be going nuts by now!! Don't stress about symptoms, I only had sore bbs & lots of peeing at that stage. Hang in there lovely xx

    DH & I were listening to a radio interview on abc radio national a few months back about ivf. They were generally encouraging women to freeze eggs earlier, because of the decline of egg quality as we age. I'm pretty sure I remember them talking statistics & saying that a women at 38 usually has to go through about 20 eggs to get a pregnancy. The story was really aimed at the ivf industry misleading women about their real chances of having a baby. And aimed at women who found themselves single in their 30s & encouraging to freeze for later use. It was super interesting actually, and there is a podcast if anyone was interested in listening. The story was called "Cold Comfort". They talk to a very interesting ivf researcher named Lord Professor Robert Winston.
    But it isn't as simple as "oh, just freeze your eggs for later" as they don't generally freeze or thaw well as eggs alone have a higher water content making them more unstable for freezing and thawing...a fact that seems to be conveniently overlooked most of the time.

    Far better to freeze embryo's if possible. Plus it's bloody expensive too with no Medicare rebate unless it's for a medical reason (for eg starting cancer treatment). What I wish is that all these experts that are so blase with their advice such as "oh just freeze your eggs" or "get the embryo's PGD tested prior to transfer" would be completely honest and transparent regarding costs of doing these things, success rates and the criteria that has to be met to achieve these things also as I believe it gives a false perception that it's achievable/affordable for everyone when it clearly isn't.

    Same with the amount of Cycles needed. I reckon just cut to the chase and tell the truth about how many embryo's you'd likely need transferred depending on your age to get a take home baby. That's where the reality lies IMO.

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    Totally agree. And what irks me is so many young ivfers that assume ivf is the answer to everything and totally devo if they get less than 15 eggs at epu and doesnt work straight away and shock horror their fs doesnt put in 2 embies first up cause they want twins.

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    Quote Originally Posted by BlondeinBrisvegas View Post
    But it isn't as simple as "oh, just freeze your eggs for later" as they don't generally freeze or thaw well as eggs alone have a higher water content making them more unstable for freezing and thawing...a fact that seems to be conveniently overlooked most of the time.

    Far better to freeze embryo's if possible. Plus it's bloody expensive too with no Medicare rebate unless it's for a medical reason (for eg starting cancer treatment). What I wish is that all these experts that are so blase with their advice such as "oh just freeze your eggs" or "get the embryo's PGD tested prior to transfer" would be completely honest and transparent regarding costs of doing these things, success rates and the criteria that has to be met to achieve these things also as I believe it gives a false perception that it's achievable/affordable for everyone when it clearly isn't.

    Same with the amount of Cycles needed. I reckon just cut to the chase and tell the truth about how many embryo's you'd likely need transferred depending on your age to get a take home baby. That's where the reality lies IMO.
    @BlondeinBrisvegas - agree with everything you say. Specifically on the PGD testing point I don't think they make it clear enough how bloody hard it is to get anything to test - it's only after you start you realise (a) how few embryos actually get to blastocyst regardless of your age ( b) how few embryos get to blastocyst on day 5 and are actually hatching on day 5 - this is the one that has surprised me the most - that day 5 unhatched ( but expanded ) or starting to hatch blasts are transferred all the time in a standard cycle but for a PGD cycle you can't biopsy without it being sufficiently hatched. I just didn't grasp this part when I had the PGD counselling- I knew it was required but I think I thought that if you got any blasts at day 5 they would be hatching on that day or they wouldn't be called blasts IYKWIM? Just shows my ignorance I guess.

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    Quote Originally Posted by BlondeinBrisvegas View Post
    But it isn't as simple as "oh, just freeze your eggs for later" as they don't generally freeze or thaw well as eggs alone have a higher water content making them more unstable for freezing and thawing...a fact that seems to be conveniently overlooked most of the time.

    Far better to freeze embryo's if possible. Plus it's bloody expensive too with no Medicare rebate unless it's for a medical reason (for eg starting cancer treatment). What I wish is that all these experts that are so blase with their advice such as "oh just freeze your eggs" or "get the embryo's PGD tested prior to transfer" would be completely honest and transparent regarding costs of doing these things, success rates and the criteria that has to be met to achieve these things also as I believe it gives a false perception that it's achievable/affordable for everyone when it clearly isn't.

    Same with the amount of Cycles needed. I reckon just cut to the chase and tell the truth about how many embryo's you'd likely need transferred depending on your age to get a take home baby. That's where the reality lies IMO.
    Exactly. That's why I liked this interview. It was very much bringing up the question of the ivf clinics are not being honest with women about their chances.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Charlie74 View Post
    So I need some tough love this morning..

    I'm basically just doing my own head in. And I know if I leave it too long I'll end up with more expensive flights...

    I should just book em and get it over with shouldn't I??? ������
    @Charlie74, quit faffing around and book your flights, woman!


    Is that the kind of tough love you're after hon?!


    JK....Do what you feel in your gut is right

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    Quote Originally Posted by Charlie74 View Post
    Morning girls.. Completely agree.. Most people start this journey and really don't know half of what the realities are. People just assume that IVF can fix everything. And most people don't have a clue about just how much crap u have to inject, swallow etc.. Or the invasiveness of having ur eggs sucked out!! Most people (lucky for them) really have no idea what IVF entails.

    So I need some tough love this morning.. For some annoying reason (likely anxiety related!).. I am procrastinating the Feck out of buying my flights up to Sydney for my intrallipids next Saturday!!! Mostly bcos the pessimist in me keeps thinking stupid things like 'what if I have my scan on Monday & it turns out I have an amazeballs lining already and they want to transfer before next Saturday??' But then I also think 'well even if that happens' the intrallipids will still be of benefit regardless of being before or after FET.'

    I'm basically just doing my own head in. And I know if I leave it too long I'll end up with more expensive flights...

    I should just book em and get it over with shouldn't I??? ������

    Just book the damn flights already FFS's!!! Stop fart a r s e i n g around Luv!!!

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    Quote Originally Posted by midnite01 View Post
    Totally agree. And what irks me is so many young ivfers that assume ivf is the answer to everything and totally devo if they get less than 15 eggs at epu and doesnt work straight away and shock horror their fs doesnt put in 2 embies first up cause they want twins.
    I get it. I am on another thread where I am seeing double figure egg hauls and the same for fertilisation rates. I am very happy for them, and at their age Id be pulling same numbers Im sure. Just is a reality check that chances are I will be the last one on the thread, which is not the first time.

    Thats why I came here. I know Im not 40+, Im 39 next month, and I know its not going to be easy. My 2 egg haul was the indicator Im not going to cruise in this. 7+years trying, I just want something good to happen.

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    My irk is the images on the marketing material IVF clinics use. You know, the images of pristine white parents holding their pristine white baby, usually in pristine clothes with colours of cool white and blue. Ooh for flips sake, check out any family with a newborn...that is not real life!
    I'd love to produce a 'real' marketing flyer for an IVF clinic. Do we have a graphic designer amongst us. We could put the facts out there, as we know them, to potential IVFers!!
    Something I do like about the CT ED clinics is that the clinics are run/owned by women who have actually done multiple rounds of IVF.

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    @Tahli, if we (as in 40+'s) were doing the advertisements for IVF clinics nobody would want to do IVF!

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    You say that @Blossom, but what percentage of LB's patients are over 40? And what if the ads were true reflections of our own lives. Would you be more drawn to something you could relate to? And how desperate are we to get our hands on properly accurate figures? Even as a naive first timer when you ring a clinic one of the first questions you ask about is their success rates. I reckon real figures, real women (families) and stories of real experiences. Let's not under-estimate women, I say!!
    Sorry, rant over.
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