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    Default WWYD- boss at work

    I have posted on here a bit over the past 14 months or so about df's boss.
    The run down is basically df has been working at this company for the past 15 or so years.
    This boss came in about 2-3 years ago, never had a managerial job before. His background is army medic.
    The boss has cut a lot of things from the employees in this area of the company, but other areas under other bosses are still running the same way they have for years. The employees see this boss cut things like overtime for them, and then the boss gets a new company vehicle and fuel card when previous bosses have never had that privilege.
    Dec 2014 df was told he was being taken off his shift for 3-4 months to do training. Df told his boss he wasn't happy as we are a single income family and it was a big blow, but the boss was adamant.
    Df completed the training in record time, but still hasn't moved up to the next pay level, because he hasn't completed a "competency" test. Whenever df asks about it, he is fobbed off.
    Df went to work last week, saw this boss arguing with df's immediate manager. After this, boss walks over to df and tells him he is coming off shift again "to give everyone a fair go at working the shift hours". Again, df tells his boss he isn't happy, he is being put at a disadvantage, boss doesn't care. Df tells him we have a wedding to pay for, boss says "do you?" (He knows full well, they've talked about it previously.)
    Df finds out one of the guys going into shift does NOT want to do it, he can't handle the night shifts. Boss doesn't care.
    Df finds out from his immediate manager the argument before his boss came over to tell him was because the boss wanted the immediate manager to tell df- he didn't want to do it because he knew df would be upset.
    This boss "manages" his employees through fear and threats. Eg df asks for a day off (so I can work and he can watch the kids) but boss says things like "I'm changing the roster soon", meaning if df asks for a day off again, he would be pulled immediately off shift.

    The latest now is that df has gone to work tonight and looked at the roster and it only has his name down for the next two weeks, and everyone else's is down for at least 6 weeks.
    1) df is full time so he has to be working *somewhere* and at *sometime*
    2) this boss is doing it to bully df, because df isn't afraid to stand up to him and say when something isn't right
    3) he is trying to upset df enough so that he quits, and df is at the point where he really wants to. If he could find another job that paid on par or better he would be done.

    So I know it's a quick overview, and I understand if you have questions because I'm a bit wound up over the whole thing myself and so on probably not making sense.
    But I'm curious as to what you would do in this situation. Would you go to the union? Shut up and take it? Quit?
    I'm really looking for what df's next step would be so any help is appreciated.

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    Never been a union man but that would be an excellent step in this case.

    I would probably go up the ranks first and ask see supervisors boss.

    Tell higher boss something needs to be done. I like the company and enjoy the work. I really do not want to go to the union thatbis why i am seeing you first. Etc etc
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    I agree with DaveTTC.

    It seems like this boss doesn't have much of an idea on how to be a boss. If your DF's immediate manager can't do anything about it, can he go higher than this boss? Could he put his issues down in writing and ask someone higher up to have a look at it?

    It's always such a hard situation. If he does decide to go over his head, either to a higher boss or the union (and he should) he probably needs to be prepared with a backup plan of what he is going to do if the boss then makes his life hell (or even more hell than he's making it now!). Even though the boss shouldn't be allowed to get away with doing that, I guess sometimes that's the reality of these situations

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    I'd approach upper Management first, if that was an option.

    Then I'd try the Union - and if other workmates are disgruntled get them on board also. You have more power collectively than you do as a single person.

    If all that fails...Hi ho, Hi ho, it's off to the Fair Work Ombudsman we go....

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    Union or union rep.

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    The reason to use a union rep to help is because you have a witness for meetings etc. And they can support you in writing letters.
    I'd contact the union and ask for advice and follow that.
    Perhaps also check with fair work australia.
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    I would get df to meticulously document everything from here on exactly as it happens at the time it happens. If there's written proof of anything narky that's happened to date collate that too. I think any complaint would have more weight if it's substantiated otherwise it might get looked at as a retrospective recollection of events which without a diary log to support might not be taken seriously. With a log of events I would approach whoever a higher up manager is that is respectful and/or hr of the company as well as seeking advice from the union. My DH is going through similar and it just sucks so I hope it gets better for your fiancé.

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    Without even getting to the end I was thinking a union should be getting involved here.

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    Yeah. I agree with union advice. He pays for it so he should use it. Also is there HR he could talk to? The behaviour is actually considered workplace bullying - and should be investigated.

    Can he also put a formal request to finalize his training with HR/higher management? And finally if needed is there a spot in another team he can work?

    Hugs to you and your DF.

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    Email to boss and cc to higher boss Cleary articulate each issue, the impact, and any evidence.
    Be clear on the resolution being sought.
    Contact Fairwork and discuss
    Speak to union rep/delegate
    Get stuff in writing
    Avoid discussions with this boss other than following all lawful directions.
    Keep a journal with dates/times of issues
    Read up on adverse action (Fairwork stuff)
    Good luck xx

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