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    And to add, maybe while this idiot wants to bring in these measures he could also outline how we can get deadbeat fathers to start paying their CS. Aust non-custodials owe BILLIONS. If we not only were tougher, but set min CS amounts that were meaningful maybe men (and I say men as 85% of non custodials are male) might stop sitting on benefits themselves and working for cash and get a proper job! Imagine the savings to the tax payer if these men actually supported their kids

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    I really appreciate how joining bubhub and listening to the lives of others has opened my eyes to life in Australia. Pre-bubhub I probably would have sort-of agreed with this idiot. I lived in my affluent little bubble socialising with my affluent bubble friends and couldn't understand how people could be unemployed and on welfare if they didn't want to be. I didn't know that families were struggling to buy clothes for their kids, pay doctors bills, food, etc. Sure I understood that this was common overseas and I had great sympathy to the plight of those in developing countries but little empathy for my fellow Aussies. Now I get it, I think (I hope!) and my views have changed substantially. Thanks bubhub

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    Quote Originally Posted by delirium View Post
    And to add, maybe while this idiot wants to bring in these measures he could also outline how we can get deadbeat fathers to start paying their CS. Aust non-custodials owe BILLIONS. If we not only were tougher, but set min CS amounts that were meaningful maybe men (and I say men as 85% of non custodials are male) might stop sitting on benefits themselves and working for cash and get a proper job! Imagine the savings to the tax payer if these men actually supported their kids
    CS is a complete joke in this country. All child support should be court ordered and failure to pay for x amount of time should get you arrested. If a person who is courted ordered to pay child support claims that they do not work then they should attend a job agency 2-3 times a week. This would make it difficult for people who hide the fact they work. Problem solved. Nothing will guarantee that 100% of people pay but it would improve the current situation.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Sejimumma View Post
    I'm going to be very unpopular here and say that I agree with this to an extent. Not that any woman on welfare should have to take contraception in order to receive it, but there should be some sort of a threshold applied.
    If you have 3 children already and are receiving parenting payments which you rely on in order to provide for your family, should you really be adding to your family and expecting the government to continue funding it?
    Most non welfare dependant families will major decisions on how many children they have factoring in their financial position. A lot would love to have more children but take measures to stop that happening because they can't afford it. If those people can be responsible about family planning then why not people who receive welfare for their families? Particularly the ones who basically have no other income?
    Edited to add - not saying that all people on welfare don't make these decisions too, but clearly some don't.
    I would not have a problem with some ruling on parenting only payments being subject to family planning controls once you already have a certain number of children. Or at least there is no increase to what you already receive for each subsequent child.
    Yes, contraception is not fool proof but if you can show that you have at least tried to do something and spoken to your Dr and have implemented some sort of family planning measures (be it the male or female) then still fall pregnant you're still eligible for payments.
    I agree with your thinking, I just think the methods they're proposing seem...I don't even know the words for it, but very outdated and crass come to mind.

    I don't personally know anyone on the welfare (beyond taking the 18 weeks ppl) but I think if there are people out there who do rely wholly on their centrelink payments to support their family, and they already have a few kids, then yes, there needs to be some kind of limit. you can't expect the public purse to support you and your expanding family if you haven't the means to do it yourself.

    I just think the implanted contraceptive seems very basic and crude as a means to implement this. it's also bloody sexist as what about men? plus it's not fool proof. people still fall pregnant on contraceptives.

    why not just introduce a rule and say "beyond 3 kids, your parenting payments will not increase for each subsequent child you have". puts the onus back on the welfare recipient.

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    Quote Originally Posted by cheeeeesecake View Post
    I wonder how much of a problem this actually is? (As in - unemployed parents sitting around on welfare & having more kids to get more welfare). In my (limited) world, I only knoe one family like this,who have been on welfare long term (20+) years who keep having kids every 4ish years. Everone else I know who has been on welfare has needed it short term for a 'legitimate' (for lack of a better word) reason - either becomig a single parent, needing to re train, in between jobs, having disabilities or injuries preventing them from working for a time. I dont think many people actually WANT to be on welfare - I certainly dont envy anyone living on very little $$ & being unable to work. Its not like theyre living it up with a life of leisure and luxury, its hard. I know this might be common in other areas, but I just dont see the long-term 'dole bludgers' at all where I am from, & I wonder if it is being made out to be more of an issue than it actually is?
    I know it's a huge problem on council estates in the uk. 'Having a baby' is a legitimate career goal for a lot of those girls.


 

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